Джимми Дор: убийство Чарли Кирка, Томас Мэсси и поиск Бога через пропагандистский ад

Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk\u2019s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

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Tucker [00:00:04] Jimmy Dore, thank you for doing this. So it seemed to me so much is happening, it's hard to get perspective on any of it, but it does feel like Thomas Massie's loss in the primary in Kentucky two weeks ago was like a kind of pivot point in American politics. What was your response to it?

Jimmy Dore [00:00:24] Well, my response to it was how dare we, you know, tell preach democracy around the world and tell people that the people in China are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here. Right. This is the complete we just gave up. And, and so now it's the oligarchs, as I was telling you before, you know, it just proof that we don't live in a democracy, you know, they did that Princeton study in 2015 about how it doesn't the 90. Percent of people their wishes never are expressed in legislation and it's only the top ten percent of the wealthy people and There's a direct correlation at fifty percent of The wealthy people want something fifty percent at the time it happens You know and so but the bottom doesn't matter Your vote that literally doesn't and we're living in that and so, you know I was telling before in in in China the government sits above capital. Yes, and so the economy works for the people But in the United States, capital is above the government. And so the economy doesn't work for the people. It works for a handful of international globalist billionaires, which is why we have homelessness everywhere. We have the biggest prison population in the world. And, you know, we still get go bankrupt just to get educated. You get bankrupt when you get sick. And like I say is that we're like, and we live in a surveillance state. And so we're, we were like China, except we have more street crime and slower trains. No!

Tucker [00:01:50] And we get lectured constantly in the most self-righteous way by the worst people. Um, it, it's a hard jump for your average right-winger, me, for example, to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government. Way more. You know, I, I think that's, I'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming, but I do think there's like a training that takes place. Where you just have someone point to Soviet Poland and you're like, that's the option to what we have. And you're, like, I don't want that. I don't like potatoes. You know what I mean? Bad architecture, grim weather. But I kind of believe that.

Jimmy Dore [00:02:33] Uh, you believe that that's the opposite?

Tucker [00:02:35] That was the option. So either you have like Google runs everything and they do it in Technicolor and it's like free and it' great or the state runs everything and it is Soviet Poland. And so like I do think the average right winger, or again I'll speak for myself. It's like hard to accept that you wanna live in a system where billionaires don't control everything. Like that's not good.

Jimmy Dore [00:03:02] That's not good. Look around, this is the system we're living in and you know, corporations, there's no long term planning, right? At least in China, they have long term planning, which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows, stuff like that. It's just amazing. And in here, because they don't... And corporations only care about quarterly profits, so they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter.

Tucker [00:03:33] I think that's right.

Jimmy Dore [00:03:34] And that's the problem. There's no long-term planning in America and that's why and you know, I also have a firm belief that Like in California, they spent 24 billion dollars to try to fix homelessness and none of it. It just got worse and You know, i think you've talked about this that it seems planned because it probably is that they want us To live in this kind of hellscape So we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems and that's right. That's what they're doing, right? So, you know it all started with 9-eleven. They had the Patriot Act already written before 9-Eleven, right So they they and and and as Edward Snowden revealed that you know, they're collecting Every text every phone call every email you make anyway, so we live in her since and then it's just getting more flock cameras It's like what you said to Kevin O'Leary. It's liked it. Oh, they are there to help fight crime Really crime rates going down are they? No, no, so yeah, this is what happens and Thomas Massey I mean a guy who won almost unanimously and then he his positions didn't change but then all of a sudden he loses and loses big right lost by 10 points so and it just and it was all propaganda and lies and who knows if they also Fiddled with the vote, you know, I why would you put that past them? Why of course they would the people who slaughter people for profit, which is what been the last 25 years Since 9-eleven just slaughtering people for prophet. They wouldn't rig an election.

Of course, they would of course

Tucker [00:05:08] If it's important enough to murder people, it's important enough to take over electronic voting machines, of course. And by the way, that's the one thing you're not allowed to say. So that's always a tip.

Jimmy Dore [00:05:20] Before 2020, the Democrats used to scream about the...

Tucker [00:05:22] Will I remember?

Jimmy Dore [00:05:23] But I have video after video I show on my show about the Democrats saying how Easily hacked these electronic voting machines are and then there was a day you can't say it anymore, right? Just like you used to be able to criticize big pharma and then There was a Day you got you can do it anymore Right remember and so yeah, of course those people would would rig elections. I mean they The people who did building seven wouldn't wouldn't rig it

Tucker [00:05:48] No, it's just, you're total, people risk their lives to rob liquor stores. So right, a lot's at stake. But I kind of wonder like, why do we have electronic voting machines that are not faster? You don't get to vote faster. Right? Takes forever. It takes forever. So what is the purpose? What's the utility? Why do we still have them? Why not just, I don't know, give a thumb print like they do in civilized countries like Malawi.

Jimmy Dore [00:06:13] Control why I mean that's the obvious right the easiest answer right well it's easier to control the vote I anyway it's a we don't again we don't live in a democracy none there's always the people who say well Jimmy we don't live in a mind we live in an constitutional republic right the people will say that which is true of course Uh, but that is, that is a form of democracy. So I always have to tell people that as a form of democracy, you don't have direct democracy because majority rules, uh, is a bad thing. You have to have a constitution which protects the right of the minority in case when you have a, you know, tyranny of the majority, which is what we had during COVID. Yeah.

Tucker [00:06:51] Good point. But in both a direct democracy and a constitutional republic, the core idea is the same, which is the people rule. It's their country. It belongs to them.

Jimmy Dore [00:07:04] Yeah. Good. And if you believe that, I've got a vaccine I'd like to sell you. So now, I guess my, I mean, right now we have, we're having a governor's race in California. And so they have the, they have, it's called a jungle primary. Do you know what that is? Right? Sort of tell me. So, so instead of Democrats and Republicans having their own primary, they have one big primary everybody's in, including independents, including no party preference people and the top two vote getters then face off in. And so that's to make sure that it's just Democrats. So that's what that is, because we have one party rule in California, and if you think that's good, go to California and see how it's working out. And so they have a jungle primary, and so Democrats are so unpopular now, even in California, that they're afraid that a Republican or two Republicans might, because the Democrats might split the vote, and then two Republicans sneak in, and they asked Governor Newsom, And they said, what if that happens? And he said, well, we have a plan. We have a break the glass plan, meaning, you know, an emergency break the class. So he's like, he's literally saying, don't worry. We're not gonna allow democracy to work. We're gonna, if the vote doesn't go the way we want, we have to break the last moment and we're gonna fix that. He said that out loud? He said out loud. And, you just like when, but he pays no price for this. Just like when he said so in California, like I said, they spent $24 billion dollars to fix homelessness, homelessness got worse. And so, unanimously, the legislature passed a bill saying, hey, let's have transparency on how that money was spent. Passed unanimously, Gavin Newsom vetoed it. He'd paid no political price for that. Nobody even brings it up. And so that's what we're, and again, the one-party rule is, again, it's like we're in California, we're like China, but with more street crime and slower trains. Will it change? I hate to be a pessimist, but no, I don't see it changing. You know, you talk to people. Um, my friend lives in a Pacific Palisades. Her house did not burn down and they're having a vote for a mayor.

And she was asking this guy who was standing there in a burned out property and then who are you going to vote for for mayor? And he's like, you know, whoever the Democrats say, that was almost a direct quote. And so they don't. You know, just like when the fires happen, I talk to my neighbors, they go, well, Jimmy, there's nothing they can do. And then of course there's a million things they could do. There's nothing that they could. And I go, did you know that there was a reservoir above the Pacific Palisades that holds 113 million gallons of water? They drained it before the fires, did know that? They go, yeah, but that wouldn't have helped. Like, this is just a direct quote. I guess she didn't go to firefighting school because water's like the number one thing. Hahahaha And so that's their mentality. So this whole idea, you know, half the country thinks, oh, their party is better than the other party. And it's like, oh, there's one party that's obviously better than other party, really? I wonder if this is a trap. How could this be used against us? And that's exactly what it is, right? Just like George Carlin said, you get 40 different brands of cereal, breakfast cereal, you get two political parties. And it's used against it, at least in China, people can hold their politicians accountable because they have no other party to blame. So when something goes wrong, and if you look at the polls, they're way more happy with their government in China than we are in our country.

Tucker [00:10:44] Does seem like the reason I asked will it change because it does seem like it can't continue.

Jimmy Dore [00:10:50] Like this so the only so what I what I said after Thomas Massey Was that you know the last time that the establishment was this unresponsive to its citizens? While George Washington picked up a gun and started shooting people. Well, that's right, and I'm not advocating violence obviously and but What we need to do and the truckers in Canada during kovat laid a template for this which is why they overreacted to them so hard, because they knew they didn't want them, just like when Joe Biden crushed that railroad strike. They had to do that because that would have showed everybody the power of workers, because the railroad is the backbone of capitalism. And if you shut that down, it shuts down and the oligarchs get hurt, right? And so they had to stop that. They made it illegal for them to go on strike. And so what I said is that after Thomas Massey is that, We need to have, what if all the railroad workers just didn't show up for work for a week or so? What if the port workers didn't showed up?

What if all of the truck drivers didn't shown up? And then they went and they occupied Wall Street, which is why Occupy Wall Street scared the hell out of them. And because that was the left and the right. So you had the Tea Party upset about the banks. You had the left progressives upset about the banks, they had a common interest, because that's the thing they don't want you to know, is that we actually have a common interest. They want you to keep turning against your neighbor, like your neighbor's the problem. Exactly. And your neighbor is not your problem, because your neighbor is suffering under the same oligarchy that you're suffering under. And they don't want you to realize that you have shared interests and that we can work on the other stuff later. But we got to come together to stop these WEF globalist billionaires that actually run and dictate our lives. And so that's what I'm saying is that we need to have, you know, for all the grocery store workers, all the UPS, all the Amazon. If they, and if a couple of them did it together, it would show the power of the workers that we actually can take. And you have to have a protest. When you have a protests, you have have a demand. So that's why you know, those no Kings marches, right? Or protests, those are PSYOPs. And how do you know they're a PSYP? Cause there's no demand. You have to have a demand, a concrete demand.

And so if the workers shut down, if the railroad workers, port workers, truck drivers, if they shut down they have a demands. Demand is no outside money in elections. We have publicly funded elections. We have an election cycle that's six weeks instead of two years. And you can't have corporate money, you can have any of that stuff. It has to be publicly funded. And people say, who's gonna pay for that? Well, it costs us trillions of dollars every year because we have corporations funding our elections. It would save us trillions of dollars and we'd have a more responsive democracy if we had publicly funded election So that would be my demand That's so you got to have, you can have a protest, you got have a demand. And when you see a protest without a demand, that's how you know it's a PSYOP. That's how, you know, it's to bring people back into the two party duopoly and hating each other.

Tucker [00:13:52] It seems like if you're going to try to compel someone to do something he doesn't want to do, you have to do something he really doesn't want you to do. So like the Occupy Wall Street, which I, especially in retrospect, we needed that. But the tactic was like, have a protest. They don't care about your protest. What they do care about is money. Why has no one ever organized millions of Americans to say stop paying their credit card bills or stop paying your student loans? Why are people paying student loans, I don't understand that. It seems like that might get the attention of the people in charge.

Jimmy Dore [00:14:31] Yeah, well, that's that certainly would. And you know how they, you know, Michael Parenti, who died recently, and he was he was a real friend of the working man. And he said, you know, the the the oligarchs, they don't care about if you have health care. They don't care about it. If you have you can afford a house. They don't care if you have to go bankrupt getting an education. The only thing they actually do care about is what you think. That's actually what they care about. That's it. That's smart. And that's why they spend all this money on propaganda. That's why the own the media. That's what they constantly keep you propagandized and the best propaganda is the stuff you don't realize that is a propaganda. You just internalize it and you think that's just the way things are. So that's the, actually they care what you think. That's so interesting. That's the only thing they care about.

Tucker [00:15:17] That's a deep insight, because sometimes it feels like they don't care what you think, but of course they do, because the propaganda is just relentless.

Jimmy Dore [00:15:22] Yeah, and Michael anybody you could go watch his speeches on on youtube They're all over the place and he's got a great sense of humor and he was he was what nom chomsky People pretend he is right exactly. Yeah, he was the real deal. He was you know

Tucker [00:15:35] FRAWN

Jimmy Dore [00:15:36] You know how you could tell that So Michael parenti Got kicked out of academia right in the 70s and he couldn't get a job and he was blacklisted He was because he spoke up against the Vietnam War stuff like that. And that's how you know, he's the real deal Noam Chomsky had a job forever at MIT. I know. No problem. And his job was never threatened. And so he was what Chomski taught me, that there's the over 10 win there. There's as far left as you can go, right? So they'll have on people on the cable news shows that talk about war. It's never, hey, we shouldn't have a war. It's always like, well, how much war should we have? And then you have those discussions. And so Chomskey was there to go, you can't go any farther than him. So if you go farther left than him, then you're a crazy nut your conspiracy theorists and he was the one You know who said doesn't who cares who killed? President Kennedy, that's what Chomsky said.

Who cares? Who cares who overthrew our government, who did a coup on our government? Who cares, so that's the CIA talking about. Same thing, you know, he just repeated back that 9-11 happened exactly the way George Bush said it did. Dick Cheney, who, by the way, when they were asked about it, testified in secret behind closed doors, not under oath and together. So, yeah, so I am- Chomsky said

Tucker [00:16:57] He affirmed the official story of 9-11?

Jimmy Dore [00:17:02] Yeah, so, um, that's why you should, I, I have to. That's a radical. That's our radical. And I always tell people, you know, uh, what woke me up to it was like, I'm not an engineer, but I saw building seven, first of all, it was broadcast 20 minutes that have had fallen down by BBC before it ever fell. They go ahead. And, um. And then you're like, wait a minute, this building that wasn't hit by a plane, a plane hit a building 200 yards away from it and then it fell to its own footprint. Like out of sympathy for the other buildings like what and so that's when I knew something was up and I was start when I started my first comedy podcast in 2007 with with Todd glass and My wife Steph and I talked about I talked to about that and people like Jimmy No, it's a crazy conspiracy there's I'm like what? And then even people like Rosie O'Donnell would bring it up on the view I don't know if you remember that no. Yeah, she was like building seven and I'm I know I'm onto something, right? And so, you know, whenever you're not allowed to question something, that's when you know they're up to something. Of course. And I experienced that with Seth Rich. So Seth Rich, by the way, still not solved. Nobody knows who killed him.

Tucker [00:18:11] And a robbery in which nothing was there was about

Jimmy Dore [00:18:12] It was a botched robbery where they didn't take his watch. They didn't take his wallet. They don't take its phone. And I was just asking normal questions about the Seth. So the theory was that when WikiLeaks published the emails, right, they said it was Russia hacked into the DNC server. But the theory was, that this guy was upset that they had rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders. He was a real patriot and so he had downloaded those onto a thumbnail and he gave them some through an intermediary. He gave it WikiLeaks. And Julian Assange all but confirmed it, right?

Tucker [00:18:44] He did all but confirm it. He didn't, strictly speaking, confirm it, but he basically confirmed it. Basically confirmed it, right? He was like, we don't give away our sources.

Jimmy Dore [00:18:55] You know, and uh-

Tucker [00:18:55] But I'm very concerned about Seth Rich's murder, which is by the way, still on YouTube and worth watching because Julian Assange is maybe the smartest person I've ever met. Yeah, yeah. Really a smart person. And talk about guts, right? He's, I think people who, on the left for years, people were free, Julian Assage. I didn't pay that much attention and then I got to know Julian Assange and I realized Julian Assanche is way more of a hero even than people pretended he was.

Jimmy Dore [00:19:24] Yes, very much, and I was very flattered. His family came to see me when I was in Australia. Really? Yeah, when I when I in Melbourne, they showed up. So it was a very... Wonderful man.

Tucker [00:19:32] Anyway, but he basically confirmed the Seth Rich story, the crazed conspiracy theory.

Jimmy Dore [00:19:39] So Seth Rich, there's all these questions about his murder, right? Like, where was he when he left the bar to the time he got murdered? There's hours. Where was he? What was he doing? Nobody. And so there's this all this stuff. And how come there's no video of this? There's no this? Where's his computer? How come we can't see it? And so I was covered. I was at the Young Turks at the time when I was covering it. And then the Washington Post put me in a hit piece, right, that I was a crazy conspiracy theorist. And they put me into a hitpiece. This is when legacy media was afraid of YouTube taking away their viewers. And so they would run these hit pieces on YouTubers. And I was one of them. And they put me in with like, look at all these, there's Nazis on YouTube. There's white supremacists on YouTube, there's all this, hey, your kids are going down rabbit holes. They're being radicalized on YouTube and they put in there and they put about Seth Rich, right? And so, and I don't even want, I don't want to even mention the guy who did it, but the guy that did it works for the Washington Post. And uh, he was He's the guy, he did pro-war rallies for the Iraq war.

Right? When he was in college, yeah. And of course that's the guys, Jeff Bezos taps to go cover progressive politics, that is the guy. And so anyway, he puts me in this hit piece and nobody really had my back on it. And I remember I was on a panel one day on the Young Turks with Cenk Uygur and. Ben Mankiewicz, other people. And I said to them, can you remember the last time a reporter wasn't allowed to ask questions about an unsolved murder? And they're like, well, no, they didn't know. And I'm like, of course, this is crazy. And so people would slander me, Jimmy Dore is a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist, right? And the big thing was, you're not supposed to ask questions because it hurts the family, and it's upsetting their family. Really, I've been watching John F. Kennedy get his head blown off since I was a kid. What about his family? Nobody seems to care.

Tucker [00:21:35] So that's how you know that was so then was all of us have a right to justice for all American citizens Like that's our country's promise. So it's not about I mean, I respect the family I feel obviously bad for them. Their son was murdered. You don't want to offend people unnecessarily, but it's about a family It's about the nation, right? Yeah, do we have a country where murders are solved or do we the country in which investigations into murders are thwarted for political reasons? You can't have that country

Jimmy Dore [00:22:03] I remember Jackie O coming out and saying, stop looking into this, stop, she didn't say that.

Tucker [00:22:09] Did anybody back you up on this when you asked questions about it?

Jimmy Dore [00:22:12] So, no. So in fact, YouTubers did hit piece after hit piece on me along after the Washington Post put me in their article, and that's when I'm like, Okay, I'm on to something. And so then people want to see the contents of the Seth Rich's laptop. Yeah. And at first, the FBI said, Well, we don't have it. And then they're like, okay, we have it, but we can't get the information out. Okay. They're like okay, we got the information, but we can't release it because of the ongoing investigation. And so they lied three times. And then the judge, there was a judge that ordered them to release the contents. They ignored it. A second judge said, you've got to release it. They still, they still haven't released it. So it's been now 10 or 11 years since he got murdered. We still don't know the contents, so that's how, you know, they're up to something and you know there was something to that. And we'd know for a fact that Russia did not hack into the DNC server. I brought Bill Binney on my show was the number one code breaker for the NSA for decades. And he immediately I brought him on my show in 2016 to debunk this and he said, yeah, if this if they did this If this was an outside source He said there would be all these uh telltale signs that they did it there And I'm you know, i'm not a code breaker, but he'll go and there's none of them are there So this was local so this meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive It wasn't exactly and that's how I knew rushergate was a a scam And Russiagate served many purposes. One of them was to keep Trump from being the populist he ran on the first time. Yes. And the second part was to get people ready for the war in Ukraine because they had that in the chamber for over a decade. And so it propagated. I remember when George Bush said he met Putin and I looked into his eyes and I saw he's a good man. Yeah, I'll never forget it. And then they're like, hey, what are you doing? We got to stop that, right? They would go fishing together on Kenny Bunkport and stuff. And so Putin was our friend. And then they're like, no, no we gotta have a war because you know, Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street, they wanna Balkanize Russia, they wanna split it up and sell it off for parts, which is what they do, right? And they thought they were gonna be able to do that with the Ukraine war. And as Angela Merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in Ukraine, that that wasn't really for peace. That was just so the Ukraine had the time to build up their military to get ready for this war that they provoked from Putin. And so, but people don't know that in the United. People don't do anything because the people who want that war own the media. And then people like me who know that, and I tell that story, I'm called considered borderline content on YouTube and they call me a conspiracy theorist on Wikipedia, even though I was right about it and just like I was right about the Syrian gas attacks, which now the old PCW admits that they suppressed the whistleblowers. Um, but they, I mean, literally they had, you go to Wikipedia and it would say, Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy there's cause CNN says. That the the gas attacks happen the way that and i'm like yeah that's all garbage and so anyway um They're smart They just like Michael Peretti said, they only care about what you think, which is why they control the media so they can control what you think, right? And you don't get a thirty five million dollar contract for debunking Russiagate. You get a 35 million dollar contract like Rachel Maddow got for pushing Russiogate. In fact, when the war started in Iran, I watched a video of hers. She's still blaming Putin. She's saying he's doing the bidding of as if Putin wanted that to happen because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price. Yeah, that was an unintended consequence of this war. Trump had to take the sanctions off of Russia. And so anyway.

Tucker [00:25:44] But if you're Rachel Maddow, why not just come out against the war in Iran? I mean, that was a pure Trump thing and BB. Everybody in your audience hates Trump and BB, so why wouldn't you just say that?

Jimmy Dore [00:25:58] Why blame Putin? That's insane. Because they have to keep that war going, I guess, and she's a puppet of the military-industrial... Again, you don't get a $35 million contract, this is what she got, for telling the truth. You know, Tucker, I use you as an example all the time, you know, you don't gets fired for lying. He got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex, the Syrian war, which is when you and I first connected, Exactly. Because remember the two people telling the truth about each other. You are the only one.

Tucker [00:26:25] You were the only other person and I thought am I going insane? There's no evidence that this happened I don't even know asad. I didn't have strong feelings about asad um, he's certainly better than what we have now in syria, but I I was just like this just seems as like a reporting matter like a lie and you were the Only other person saying that the only another person. I remember doing a video

Jimmy Dore [00:26:44] And I said, boy, if it comes down to me and Tucker telling the truth about this, we're screwed. And of course, we are screwed because now al-Qaeda runs Syria. Exactly. Exactly as I predicted. Exactly as Tulsi Gabbard predicted. That if you get rid of Assad, who's going to take over al-qaeda or ISIS, by the way, which we're funding and probably created. So isn't it interesting that ISIS and al- Qaeda, the sworn enemies of Israel never attack Israel? Isn't that interesting?

Tucker [00:27:11] It is kind of weird.

Jimmy Dore [00:27:12] Yeah, it's kind of, it was almost like they invented them for a purpose. People don't care people don't I talk about this people don't care, especially my you know, my ex friends in Hollywood They have no idea about any of this stuff. They don't know that the so they see a guy who's running Syria now and he's got a blue Brooks Brothers suit on and he is meeting with the president and he has been with Petraeus He's over at Downing Street and they're like, yeah, he's he's our guy I'm like, you know who he's the he's a former head chopper from Syria from al-qaeda, right? Like, huh? What? They all look like cash Mattel I don't know what the hell is going on, you know? So, uh...

Tucker [00:27:48] It's funny, even the Gulf Arabs, um, when he took, when Jelani took over Syria, they were, they were more uncomfortable than our state department. State department was like, yeah, okay, it's totally fine. Cause the Israelis wanted it, but even the gulf Arabs were like, Ooh, this guy's pretty scary. Like, really we going with this?

Jimmy Dore [00:28:09] And Gaddafi predicted all this, and that's why they had to kill him too. Oh yeah, he gave a speech at the Arab League where he talked about, you know, you don't think they're going to come for you next, they're coming for you. And they did, and they came for him because, well, he was a threat to the petrodollar because he was going to create the denar, right? And the most successful country in all of Africa, and he was gonna unite Africa, and they can't have that because they want to go in there, you know, as Michael Perranti says, that's not a poor continent, it's a very rich continent, and they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their resources, which is what they do. And so he was to unite the people of Africa and they can't that because that would be a threat to the euro, it'd be a threat to the US dollar. And so that's why he had to go. Plus, he said, if you get rid of me, they're going to flood Western Europe. He thought he was safe because if they got rid of him, then all the refugees would go flood. But it turns out that's exactly what they wanted of exactly. And why do they want that? They want that for the because they again, they want you hating your neighbor. They want you to be afraid of your neighbor and fighting.

So just like in United States, why did they have open border? And I'm, you know, I'm very pro-immigrant, you know, but the reason why they want to flood the country with is for it to, by the way, Bernie Sanders used to be against open borders. Of course. And he would say it's a Koch brothers scam. Of course, to lower wages, obviously. Lower wages and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poorer, more desperate people. Instead of coming together realizing your common interests and fighting against the oligarchy and what I tell people is if you find yourself Angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you pretty good chance You're being manipulated by someone higher on the economical out of the new and so that's why I'd say you don't blame the immigrant Because you would do exactly what they're doing

Tucker [00:30:01] I agree, I agree completely.

Jimmy Dore [00:30:02] I wouldn't do I would do whatever I could to get into the United States percent Yeah, I would lie cheat and steal I'd walk from Tegucigalpa any day That's right to give my kids a better life and myself and so that's what they did in Europe So you go there and it's to dilute the culture and get people Fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man thing But Gaddafi thought that and he thought that they didn't want that. I didn't realize that they wanted that And as soon as they realized that they wanted it, he was gone. So there was many reasons to get rid of him. And of course, you know, Hillary Clinton famously said, we came, we saw he died. And she giggled about it because they're blood soaked psychopaths. I don't think that's an overstatement. It's not an over statement at all. You kidding me? They they're all for the Iraq war. They killed a million people right in the Iraq War. And look what they did to Libya. The most now it's got open slave markets still to this day. Then nobody cares. They they used Plutonium-tipped bombs. So Gaddafi took desert and turned it into farmland. He created a water system, which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world. And they bombed it. They bombed with depleted uranium-tip bombs. Why? To make it a failed state. And so now the water's polluted with uranium. And- Was that NATO? Yeah, that's the good guys.

Yeah, the defensive alliance. Yeah the defensive alliance right uk france and the united states we were we were the good guy that's what people think just i never forget uh when tulsi was running for um president and he what she went on uh steven colbert uh who's one of the biggest disappointments ever to comedy and he said there when she was telling the truth about syria right and she was saying you know we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and And he leaned over and he said I see America as a force for good in the world with a straight face With a straight, face that's a grown-up man who's been in comedy his whole life You think america's a force do you have you looked around the world? We have a thousand military bases. What has that gotten anybody? Did you see what we did to iraq? Did you say we did so libya? Do you see? What we're currently doing this year? He didn't It's all, again, that's why you get those jobs, because that's what you're gonna say. If they said something like I was gonna say, I wouldn't get that job. People like me don't get on TV like that.

Tucker [00:32:25] I, not to like sidebar here, but what about Colbert who I always thought was talented?

Jimmy Dore [00:32:32] Extremely he did the best show ever I like to show way better than The Daily Show when he did The Gold Bear Report Yeah, and then he became that guy what the guy that he was Who knows? Your guess is I'm not a psychiatrist, but he became the thing he used to lampoon he became That Guy and He just repeats military-industrial complex talking points, you know, he's He helped build up the the momentum for their ukraine war and they and they let you know I said it about john stewart, too You know john steward who can supremely talented these people are really talented, but he'll never tell His audience the truth about the ukraine more just like he'll Never tell people why he hung a medal on a nazi at disney world right, uh, and He told the truth About the the virus the covet virus on colbert

Tucker [00:33:23] I remember that.

Jimmy Dore [00:33:23] Which Colbert kept trying to stop him and cut take the legs out from underneath his comedy bit, which was brilliant He had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera So he could finish his comedy bid about where the covid virus came from. Do you remember this very well? Yes, and so he paid a big social price for that john stewart. He did yeah And so he talked about boy I did I I found I found out that uh, I didn't know that certain medicines were political. We talked about ivermectin and there's a right-wing medicine and he talked about this. Um, and then to make up for that, he had to give, uh, a tongue bath to Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice. I don't know if you remember that. No, which we, that's penance that is penance. And then he had hang a medal on a Nazi at Disney world, which he'll never go anywhere where anybody will ask. And God, but I'm a big fan of Jon Stewart's and, but I just don't, you know, Chris Hedges told me when the first time he came on my show.

Was that i'm like john stewart's great the way he takes down both sides He's like he'll never challenge the establishment jimmy, which is why he's there And i'm, like, uh in a in a meaningful way and that's true And that's why he is allowed to go on those tv shows and and have a tv show I mean same thing with bill maher, right if they were if really a threat they wouldn't be there

Tucker [00:34:38] They're not a threat. But Bill Maher, I don't want to be mean, but not a talented guy. I remember going to his house and he has this amazing house. And it's like, wow, you've really, on the basis of very little native talent. I mean, literally, I know comedians no one's ever heard of who are like geniuses. Not the case for Bill Mahr. This was 25, almost 30 years ago, I first thought this. And I was like, wow, this guy, how did he get so successful?

Jimmy Dore [00:35:09] So remember when he did tell the truth when he had that charm

Tucker [00:35:12] I'll never forget.

Jimmy Dore [00:35:12] Yeah, so he told the truth about well the the hijackers on 9-eleven weren't cowards He said you could say whatever you want about them But they you know, they give up their own life for a cause that's the opposite and boy Oh boy, did he pay a price for and he got his mind right immediately and so they canceled him and the story I've heard was that his management company also represented The sopranos right and so HBO wanted The Sopranos bad. And so they said, okay, we'll give The Sipranos, but you have to give Bill Maher a show. And that's how he got his show on HBO. And just like George Costanza said on Seinfeld when they were pitching a TV show on that sitcom, that they asked George Costanzo, why would anybody want to watch this? And he goes, cause it's on TV. And that why people watch Bill Mahr, cause he's on tv. And he gets big name guests, right? Which I'm jealous of, no doubt about it. But... He won't bring on people every time he brings on someone that's to his left He gets schooled and he gets embarrassed like Glenn Greenwald and Glenn Greenwold has schooled him hard I've showed that video many times Glenn's amazing and he had glen on planets That was back in 2011 or 2010 or and he's never had him on again. Of course not.

Yeah, so anytime he has someone To his left people don't like to you know people who consider themselves liberal The last thing you want to do is be challenged from their left And so he'll never bring, but Bill Maher, that's why he loves to be friends with like Ann Coulter and people like that. But he's not going to do that the other way. And so yeah, that what we're left with. And that's how he got that job. And nobody knows the ratings of HBO, right? They don't release them a subscription. And I'll say fully that I'm jealous of the influence gets to have on the culture. And I'm jealous that he has that show. But it's waning for sure. Nobody likes him. That's the weird thing, right? No. And my wife always says, can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at? If he's gonna be wrong about everything.

Tucker [00:37:18] I do think, though, the Gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight, kind of, because, like, if you're defending that, you don't have to hate Israel or, you know, have any kind of wacky views. But, like how could you defend that? How could a normal person defend that. You're not a normal if you are defending that. I think. Tucker, do you think Israel has the right to defend itself? I think everybody has the rights to defend themselves. I just like, that's genocide. That's murdering children. And so, and I think a person who's. Like likes Israel, loves Israel even could say, yeah, I love Israel, but like I love America, but I'm not gonna defend the grotesque things that our country has done. Why would I defend that? I degrade myself and I lie when I do that. So why couldn't you say, yeah, I really love Israel? But that's disgusting. What, they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong, like how could you defend that.

Jimmy Dore [00:38:10] And people don't know that there's a thing called the Greater Israel Project, which I didn't know. I didn't t know most of this stuff until October 7th, right? I mean, I had covered when Israel would go in and mow the lawn, you know, I would cover how horrible that was, but I didn t really understand the genesis of it and I didn't understand what was going on. But after October 7th, I did. Now I understand. I understand that Israel was founded by terrorist organizations, and there was a thing called the Nakba, and they say it was invented because of the Holocaust, and that's not why, because Zionism has been around since the early 1800s, so it has nothing to do with that. And they couldn't get people to move to the middle of the debt, and the Jews didn't want to go there, So they had to make a deal with Hitler and to to get people to go so it's I I know all that stuff now and I know that it's a you know, why a two-state solution isn't the solution and You have to have a one-state Solution which Bernie Sanders a video just went around of him Saying that he doesn't support a one state solution because then Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state What? And he was like, I support Israel. He said, this is our, you know, progressive lefty leader. I was shocked.

Tucker [00:39:19] By that video, is that real?

Jimmy Dore [00:39:20] That's real. Yeah. But he was, you know, he was also two years earlier to that video. He was talking to Ezra Klein and he said, yeah, you open borders are that's a that's a Koch brothers. So it just it's amazing that the real view. But he's always been a warmonger. He was you know Bernie Sanders. He was he was for Kosovo and all that stuff. He was. Yeah,

Tucker [00:39:43] It's sad. Bernie Sanders, I saw one Bernie Sanders speech in person and it was in Iowa when he was running in 16 and it all about oligarchy is bad. And at the time I had pretty conventional views but I've never been for oligarchy. Why would I be for that? It's the enemy of democracy. So I was like, you know, and I know a lot of billionaires and some are nice but most are like gravely overrated. And like, I kind of liked his speech. You know, it was pure economic populism. Yeah. And then, so I thought, yeah, I get it. And by the way, the audience was not all like, I don't know, people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever, it was like normal people. And that really kind of-

Jimmy Dore [00:40:25] anti-oligarch tour. Totally. Isn't it amazing that he didn't do any of those anti oligarch tours when Joe Biden was president? I know. Kind of amazing. All of a sudden oligarchy is a problem now. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Trump did, but somehow now it's a problem. And what else they didn't show you was that there were pro-Palestinian protesters that they had kicked out of those rallies.

Tucker [00:40:46] Actually, I missed so much of the detail because it's, that's not my world. And I didn't expect to feel that way about it. Anyway, what I don't understand is.

Jimmy Dore [00:40:55] So I went to the 2016 I was a big Bernie Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, and just for the record I'm pretty sure he did oppose the Iraq war. So I don't want people going he was okay, but um, you know, he played into the propaganda for the ukraine war and And assert sir. And anyway, he won't call it a genocide. Anyway, so uh in gaza so Uh, but I was big birdie guys a bit and um, I believed in him right and which is a hard lesson Don't believe in politicians Oh, I've I've learned that lesson. Yes. Oh boy. It's a tough one. And So I went to the democratic convention in philadelphia, right liberty bell And, uh, it was great. You walked into the convention and half the place was filled with Bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment, get money out of politics, overthrow the, uh the corporatists inside the party and give it back to the people. It was amazing. Then it was real. It was a ruckus. It was a real ruck. I was there. I remember. And they turned the lights out on people that you sound can all kinds of stuff, right? I was there. You were there. Yeah. Oh, it was, it was invigorated. I'm like, this is it. They we got them the next time we're going to have a convention. They can't stop this. This is a trick. Well, what they did was they got Bernie Sanders. So Bernie Sanders tucks his tail. He endorses Hillary Clinton and he extracts not one concession for doing so.

Nothing. He didn't ask for anything for him, for his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton. And. It was because cuz Trump right which you know the Democrats they say they hate Trump But they love them because they're there that's there's their biggest fundraiser is Donald Trump Donald Trump goes away How they gonna so they have to make another so not only did he do that? But he did nothing with his movement, right? So we had half the people who voted in the Democratic primary on his side probably more because he got cheated so he Did nothing he didn't ask just like brock obama when he got elected He disbanded his followers right his young people same thing with bryce sanderson He didn't say all right. What we're gonna do is we're going to shut it down. We're gonna have a protest here We're going have a protests there. We've got to go occupy walter. We are going to occupy the dnc We're, gonna make sure they get corporate. He didn't t ask them to do anything Anything and that's how you know? And that he was Corrupted and co-opted put it that way And so uh same thing happened in 2020. They all got together cheated him uh... It in a in a different way this time and uh... He'd again he disendorsed joe biden without asking any kids and nothing we didn't get a public option we didn't give a raise a minimum wage we didn get met nothing and um... So and he didn't ask his followers to do anything any any still won't ask us followers do anything just like a l c they won't say get in the street they want to go protest here go protest there they're playing along the good boys

Tucker [00:43:39] What's AOC's game? What do you think she actually believes?

Jimmy Dore [00:43:43] She's a narcissist who's using politics for celebrities. She could easily be an actress in Hollywood. Yeah. 100 percent. Yeah. Does she even shot at the nomination, do you think? You know, of course I think. Why wouldn't she? I mean, she got up there and she lied at the DN. So let me get back to that. So they didn't have a convention in 2020, right? Because of COVID. So 2016, they have this convention, it looks like. The people are going to take over the Democratic Party and return it back to the workers. That's what I thought. I thought there's no way they can stop this. This is a trade that can't be stopped. So then they don't have a convention in 2020. Bertie capitulates, asks for nothing again. And then the next time they have a Convention was 2024. I went to that one in Chicago and you walk in and I'm sure I told you it was like I was at a Stepford Wives Convention. Nobody can go, I would interview people and I would say, how do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing Kamala Harris? They're like, yeah, but we have a process. That's what they would say to a person. No, we have, she followed the process and we have process. I'm like, that process doesn't involve voting. Doesn't that bother you? Didn't bother anybody.

Tucker [00:44:50] Seth Rich was part of the process.

Jimmy Dore [00:44:51] Yeah, and they you know was this one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the Democratic Convention and to show you how How failed Bernie Sanders and his movement is? Our revolution which was the political organization He founded is now and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in California who's Tom Steyer a bill Not in there really yes a billionaire made his money in private prisons So that's how bad it's gotten So there's I hate to say this but you know and unless workers rise up in a real way their life So if so, that's why I think Trump knows he kind of has to end this war because if gas prices go to $10 a gallon Which they could easily go to

Tucker [00:45:34] Oh, easily.

Jimmy Dore [00:45:36] Um that uh, it will people are like hey, I can't afford to do any I can afford to go anywhere I can' afford to even drive to work So that would be that the paid would be so great at that moment maybe people would rise up in unison and um So we'll see well, but that's what it takes. That's what's gonna take So yeah, so 24 convention. It was just like a step and I was like, oh, so it's all they got it It's all over and then and then you know, the aoc goes on stage and says Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to end the to get a peace deal. They weren't doing anything, right? She even said I'm not gonna I wouldn't change anything that Joe Biden did she said that on what she would have the view I would change anything. So In a woman who the first time she ran for president could get a vote. She had to drop out She's like the first one to drop over

Tucker [00:46:23] Never forget it.

Jimmy Dore [00:46:24] And then she becomes the vice president and then she becomes a nominee and still nobody voted for her. So and because I criticize Democrats, because I was a Democrat my whole life until 2016. Um, people immediately go, well, if you're not, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, you must be a Republican. You must be at Trump or you must be the, I'm like, no, no. I, I didn't, they Republicans never asked for my vote. Uh, Democrats did. And they, I got tricked by them. I got trick by Bernie Sanders. I got tripped by AOC hard. I was the first TV show she came on. Well, I wouldn't call it a TV show, but I was the first show she came on and she tweeted it out. I was on Jimmy door show today and all that stuff. And then as soon as she got elected, she never returned a phone call, never. No way. No, no way. In fact, when I held her to her campaign promise with forced to vote, which was trying to get them to extract something from Nancy Pelosi for their vote as her first speaker when there was only eight, so they, it was called forced to the vote and it was a watershed moment because. It proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the Democratic Party, they're not going to do what you want them to do. They're not gonna even do what they campaigned on. Very much like Trump, they're gonna go along with the establishment. They wouldn't oppose Nancy Pelosi, they wouldn't extract anything, and the thing that they were... Everybody agreed in the Democratic party for decades, including Nancy Pelosi that we need to have a vote for Medicare for All on the floor of the House. Not that it would pass, but that it expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it and it would start a national conversation about it and people get informed about what it actually is and it will help build the movement for it. And they wouldn't do that. They all ran on it. It was at the DSA Handbook from 2019. They opposed it they opposed and she ran on and she said we can't even get a vote for medicare Think about that. She said at a campaign rally think about that We can't be gonna vote for Medicare for all on the house floor. She's said that so i'm like boom This is the thing to do and so when I started the force to vote and I got a big coalition of people behind it and She said I was committing Stochastic violence against her No way! I've never really understood what that term means.

It means that you're exposing them for being hypocrites and so they have to try to discredit you some way. That's what that means.

Tucker [00:48:38] So you're a terrorist for-

Jimmy Dore [00:48:40] So I'm using, I'm inciting violence against them with words, that's what they're trying to say. And because I said FAOC, and she used that as a, because that's not politics, that's stochastic violence. Okay. So what about Newsom? I think he's fantastic. Don't you think he is great? I think he cares about the people. I think it's great. I think he will make the country look as pretty as his hair. That's what I think. Does he I mean it feels like he's the nominee We'll see I mean he's gotta get he's got the gift of the gab. Oh, he's unbelievable. He really he really knows how to To you know, it's like Obama like I would feel better after you after Obama gave me I feel good and I know he's full of it and I would be better even it's weird He has that and he'll say literally anything literally anything and he's fun to talk to

Tucker [00:49:34] like he's a very uh he's very charming like i will say yeah yeah he does all those movements all the time and he's got the hand thing and but is he in any sense like different from chuck schumer or pelosi or anybody like that no they're all

Jimmy Dore [00:49:49] No, you don't get to be there if you are. You're not allowed to be the nominee if you aren't. If you don't go along and play along. You know, that's why in 2016, you know, just like Brexit, the democracy happened and they were like, well, we gotta make sure this doesn't happen. When Trump got the nomination, they're like, we can't let this happen again, right? And same thing with Brexit, we cannot. And so it's all the crackdown on free speech and anti-democratic stuff and. They did Russiagate, which, again, already told you served dual purposes. And then they got, and Trump got his mind right, and now Trump is one of them. And the people that he used to call out, people, he got elected for calling out neocons. Oh, yeah. That was his thing. People are like, yes. Finally, there's a guy. Now he's the chief neocon. And people say, and I have to push back on this. A lot of people, you know, I have, I still have friends in Hollywood.

That I go to dinner with and they're good people because they have the right intentions, but they don't realize they're propagandized. And their whole thing is, oh, these idiots who voted for, how did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world? And I go, well, he did have a first term. His first term where he didn't start any new wars. So he was the first president in decades that didn't started a new war. Everybody gets two wars. Right and uh, you know clinton bush brock obama He expanded the afghanistan war and then and he got to do syria plus he did the drone wars which killed 90 innocent people And um, and he dropped more bombs than george bush people don't know that The brock Obama dropped more moms than george bush And so and then trump got in and he didn't do it You're like what and then he you know He wanted to pull troops out of syria and we find out that the military lied to him and said they did and they Didn't Right, you know about that story. And so it was like, so we had a track record. And I did not, nobody saw that. So people who say they saw it coming that he was always a con man. Yeah, what politician isn't a conman, right? But his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con I've seen since Nigerian princes learned how to email. It was amazing.

Tucker [00:52:00] And people even more clever than any nigerian prince ever been emailed by

Jimmy Dore [00:52:05] He got people way smarter than me, uh, convinced. And, you know, and, uh I didn't vote for Trump. I never voted for Rub Publican. I voted for Dave Chappelle. I wrote him in and, um, but, uh but people think that people who think that people think I did campaign rallies for Donald Trump didn't campaign.

Tucker [00:52:21] Well, I actually did.

Jimmy Dore [00:52:22] I know

Tucker [00:52:23] a number of them. Yeah. Yeah, then to wake up and substantively he's no different from Chuck Schumer on economics and foreign policy or Lindsey Graham or Lindsey or Lindsey Graham. And you're like, yeah, but Chuck Schumar is like from for the for the Republican brain is like, you know, evil. Yeah and it's like, where do Trump and Chuck Schummer disagree on the biggest issues and they don't and so

Jimmy Dore [00:52:52] Both want to keep you away from health care. Yeah, they both want to do foreign wars They both support Israel unconditionally and what they're doing they both want to crush a worker's strike. So that was why it was so important for Biden and the Democrats to crush that railroad strike, because that would have set the template. And an example, just like the truckers in Canada, they had to stop that immediately, call them Nazis and white supremacists, and they had to debank them and shut down. They had to do that because they didn't want that catching on. Oh, yeah. And just like Michael Prenti said, they only care about what you think. And if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media want you, they got a problem. So that's why they crushed that railroad workers strike immediately And so that again, this is what we need we need workers to realize that we have any and you know There's this thing now what aoc wouldn't join with marjorie taylor green To oppose the genocide in in gaza and she's like, well, she's white supreme Whatever, you know this whole thing and you, know, that's not how you organize, right? And I I experienced that when we had the anti right after the ukraine war started We had an anti-war rally in washington dc and code pink wouldn't wouldn't joined in code pink Their whole thing is to begin sport. And they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they didn't feel, uh, agreed with their views on LGBTQ. And I'm like, and I'm like, so that reveals, and I love Madea Benjamin, but that organization just prove themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women. A fraud because that's not how you or everybody knows that right? It's not it's like well I'd like to stop a nuclear war but not with those people. You know, I mean That's it. So it's Like that's that's what gives it power when you are able to join with people who you don't agree with on other things and vehemently Disagree on other thing and you come around a single idea That's what it gives it the power if it's just people that agree with you on everything They can dismiss you and say all those are those crazy lefties. But if you have these Right-wingers who don't agree with you. That's what gives it power and it's like I talk up You know, I've been in unions all my life and what? Here's how we you don't organize a union. You don't go to the shop floor and say hey who's here's a gun nut All right, you're out who here doesn't who here? Doesn't agree what the trans agenda? All right You're out.

Who here's who doesn't agree? What? Medicare for okay, you know who doesn' agree on the war. Okay, you route. All right now. I'm gonna organize who's left That's not how it works And Christian Smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right-wingers on Staten Island, bunch of Trump voters, to go against Jeff Bezos and the oligarchy. You know, that's not how you go, you go hey, we have a common interest. And our common interest is against the man. And so we can forget about those other issues and we can work on those later. But right now we have bigger issue and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy so we get decent working conditions, we can get health care, we get a decent wage. That helps lift everybody's vote. And so that's what they don't want you to know that's that's the thing that that again That's the only thing that scares people and I have you know, my audience is made up of them So I and I meet them every when I go out and tour the country. I was just in Raleigh. I was just an atlanta I was system, uh, you know I was I was in houston I was in dallas I was an album I'll go everywhere and I disaffected democrats and disaffecting republicans and the people uh, the the disaffective maga people are there there's You know, they feel so betrayed. Ugh. And, you know, that's the thing about, oh, they're such idiots, it's such a con man. It's like, so if I, if I like, I tell him he, at least he had a track record and at least you would give lip service to the things that they wouldn't even give lip service, Kamala Harris wouldn't give you lips.

Tucker [00:56:37] Well, he was also being persecuted, literally persecuted by the establishment. So the idea that he would join with the establishment against his own voters seemed like crazy. That could never happen. They're trying to send him to prison for life. So you're like that those were his bona fides, his suffering at the hands of the establishment, you never thought he would joined them. At least that's my own thinking. That's a co-

Jimmy Dore [00:56:57] Exactly right in January 6, which we know exactly which we now know is a FBI Psy op totally and Clay Higgins exposed that and on your show even yes and but even before that he was you know questioning the the FBI director and Hi, how many how many FBI assets that you have inside the Capitol before the riot started? I can't tell you that what the answer should be none You would think yeah, so of course that and so they did the same playbook in brazil, by the way So again, I know you don't have to be a trump fan or bolsonaro fan to realize that if they can do it to those people They'll do it To anybody which is what I tried to tell cornell west when he came on my show I know and he wouldn't listen to it You know I think if you don't think if they Can do this to donald trump that they're not going to do it To you if you ever become a threat or they'll do It to bernie sanders if he ever becomes a threat Or jill stein or anybody anybody becomes a thread they're gonna they use the exact same play book On January 6th, they did it to Bolsonaro. They had a fake insurgency that overtook the Capitol and they made it illegal for him to run for president. And the same thing they were trying to do to Donald Trump, but they couldn't. Because he didn't cross that line. He didn't tell people to go. So anyway... And people don't realize, still to this day people don't realize that, that it was the FBI did that, the FBI is not your friend, it's amazing what Trump did to the left.

Trump got the left to go along with the FBI, all of a sudden they're the good guys, the CIA, they're good guys. It's amazing. We know that the FBI infiltrates every lefty organization. And we know, and this idea that, it's we have to worry about right-wing terrorists inside the United States. Well, 9 out of 10, if not 99 out of 100 of those terrorists happenings are invented by the FBI, just like the Whitmers. Exactly. You know, they were going to kidnap her. Turns out 9 out of the 13 people in the van were FBI! Of course, I mean, they do this with all, this is over and over and over again. And so, you know, we're a victim of our and the same thing with Big Pharma. The people who went from protesting GMOs at our food, flipped and went for, don't you question Big Phharma over the vaccine? How dare you? Don't you even question vaccines? Don't, you are like, what? Don't do your own research, which means don't read.

And it's the most anti-intellectual thing, and people just accept it. You know, that's what dictators do, you know, the church didn't want you to read the Bible, you had to go through the priesthood. Of course, the priest-hood. That's right. That's why they didn't allow slaves to learn how to read, it was illegal. And you've got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that, don't do your own research, don't look into things, just trust the government. Trust the government and trust Big Pharma, and now we know they lied about everything. And those people still don't know anything. They still think ivermectin is a horse paste. Actually? Yes! People tell me on social media all the time, you ruined your reputation over ivermectin. I go, did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermekton? Did it ever occurred to you, that it's won the Nobel Prize for human medicine, that it's on the WHO list of essential medicines? It's been prescribed a billion times for humans, saved billions alive? Did it every occur to that before COVID, they were looking at it to cure cancer, and now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer? The last one that 80% of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission, no growth in their tumor, or a recession, I don't know what that that's a term, 80% So you've been lied to about ivermectin and people well now Chris Cuomo will admit that he was he goes well They lied to us. Yeah, Chris That's why you're supposed to be the journalist and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you exactly You're supposed actually look into it, which would take five seconds for you to look it up on Google What is iverMectin? But of course, he didn't do that He just for him and Don lemon would just scoff at Joe they had to think about this they had the They had to color Joe Rogan's skin green. CNN did that when he got COVID to mean he got better right away and he did a video. They color to skin green, you know that, right? Oh, of course. Yeah. So that's what a threat that's a threat to the establishment. And so why would they do that? Why would they why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste? Why do you think they did that? They did that because it could treat COVID and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine. That's why they did. That same thing with hydroxychloroquine. They wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of COVID. I know that because my doctor told me that. And she did it anyway. She went she gave people and they came there and they go hey why are you giving She said, because my patients are living. And your patients are dying. And so I've been lucky to have good doctors. Yeah, and you. Saw it early, or? Well, I got vaccine injured. Yeah.

And that's what, so I didn't know. I didn't know that they would lie about a virus. I didn't know that would lie. I bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody. I didn 't know there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines. I never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby till the time is 18 for vaccines. I never question, why did they give the hepatitis B vaccine the first shot they give to a babies? You only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or unprotected sex are there a lot of horror babies running around hospitals is that what's happening Thank you. Bye. So and people don't ever think about that. I was at a Hollywood party and I was talking to a doctor and this is before the election He's where I'm really worried about RFK is gonna take away our vaccines and I said to him Do you know how many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule? He's what I go 72 and his jaw hit the floor and I go, you know the first one just like I said It's hepatitis B. He's like what why would they do that? I go. What do you think they do? That for money. What? Do you think cuz they can't get people to take it so they just put it on the vaccine schedule That's how that's how it got on there read the Midwestern doctors blog, you know explains everything

Tucker [01:02:58] The Midwestern Doctors blog, I just want to plug that. Anyone who hasn't read that unsubstantiated, Midwestern Doctor, yeah, he's a, I don't think he uses his name. No. Right. He's a kind of a genius and a very decent person.

Jimmy Dore [01:03:16] Well, does his own research.

Tucker [01:03:17] It does his own, he reads. He reads, he read studies. So speaking of, I just, I have to ask you about this because it's not related to anything we've been talking about, but we're talking at breakfast about Carl Jung, the famous psychoanalyst who is often described as the protege of Sigmund Freud, but a little more complicated. Right, exactly.

Jimmy Dore [01:03:38] No, they're completely different. He broke with with Freud big time. In fact, Freud disowned him

Tucker [01:03:45] Yes, and hated him, and was jealous of him. Who was he, why do you read him?

Jimmy Dore [01:03:52] So Carl Jung, by the way, it's very interesting how it connects to COVID, because he realized that your psyche has a need for the sacred and the religion. And he said if you don't have that, if you didn't have a connection to that, that you will project it outward, and that's exactly what happened. So you know, liberals, the people I know in Hollywood, they're not spiritual, religious, and so they turn science into a religion. Yes, and they turn Fauci into their deity And so you can't question it. You can't question religion. You're a heretic. So you can question science. Don't do your own research. Don't read the Bible. Don't read the, all that. It's the same. It was this animal. I saw it happen right in front of my face. And so Carl Jung is, he was way ahead of his time. And so we had, we share the same birthday, which he would say is a synchronicity. But I had a quote from him on my fridge for years and I never understood it.

Tucker [01:04:49] But it stayed on your fridge.

Jimmy Dore [01:04:50] Because I guess I had a feeling there was some, too, and you know, about enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light. It comes from making the darkness conscious. And until you make the darkness consciousness, it will control your life and you'll call it fate. And so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self. And then we project it. So the things we hate the most and the things that we love the most are really a religious experience. Religious meaning rejoining. So we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto a thing, onto another person. And that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for Trump had Trump in their shadow, right? That's the part of them that they, you know, Keith Olbermann, you people, those kind of people, right. So they have that. And so they because that's the part of themselves they hate the most, right? And so same thing when you love something, like when a male falls in love that, you know, love at first sight, that's you're projecting a thing called your anima. That's your female side that's in your unconscious and you project it onto another person and you feel that like you're being energized from the inside because you are. And And then you get married and then of course the projections fall off and you're like, who's this person? That's what happens to a lot of people right and that's what happened in midlife, right? A lot of guys in mid-life They have an anima projection and they feel like I can't live without this person Because it's a connection to their own soul their anima represents your soul And so it's again you're likely how could I how could you know disavow my own this this relationship? Because it feels like if I do I'll die and it's their first connection to their own self, a religious, a rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind. And so Carl Jung knew we had a soul, knew there's a God, which, you know, Freud was totally against all that. Freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever. And Jung wasn't, Jung had mystical experiences. He had direct experiences of the divine. And he sobbed the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't. He saw that they didn't, he knew he had direct experience. If you read Memories, Dreams, Reflections, he talks about it.

Tucker [01:07:12] That is autobiography.

Jimmy Dore [01:07:12] Yeah. He talks about how the clergy, they were just, they're all empty, especially his father. And he would, when he would question it, his father was like, he didn't have answers, and he didn t want him to talk about it. And he could see how empty they were, that they was, there was just dogma that didn't, they didn t have direct experience of the die. And he did. And I've had that since I started reading Jung. And so I've been going inward, Right. So Jung says, he who looks outward dreams, he goes inward, awakens. And so, I have a direct connection to the divine. I've had numinous experiences. What's a numinus experience? It's like a sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will. And it takes you over, right? And that's, I experienced that like when I quit smoking pot, people like, why'd you quit smoking a pot? I'm like, I don't know. I felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it. And it was hard. So people who say that marijuana isn't addictive, it is. I was at least six months before I could sleep. And it horrible, I was in bad shape. And I just knew I had to quit. How did you know? Again, like I said, I just had this outside, I felt there was something guiding me to this. And so I did. And, you know, your dreams... Are your psyche, or as Jung would call it, the self with a capital S, meaning, you know, the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols. And we share a collective. So you have a personal unconscious, right? The things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow. And then you have collective unconscious, which Joseph Campbell also talked about. And my first entree into this was Joseph Campbell. He talked about how you know different societies who had no way of connecting with each other Use the same symbolism to explain life and the spiritual

Tucker [01:09:18] Literally, in a way that's spooky. Spooky.

Jimmy Dore [01:09:22] Jung figured that out that we have a collective unconscious, meaning there's only one consciousness, right? So there's not your consciousness and then God-conscious. There's just one consciousness and we're part of it. And the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake. And so we're a part of that. And as we evolve our consciousness, we evolve the world's consciousness, right? Because we all share a collective unconscious. And one of the ways he figured it out was that he would have dreams and there'd be symbols in his dreams. And he didn't know what they meant, but he could tell that they were meaningful. And then he was reading about the alchemists. Now, everybody thought the alchemyists were trying to turn lead into gold, but what they were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into golden. They had to do it to hide it from the church. And so they had figured out what some of these symbols meant, and he saw them write about the symbols that he was seeing in his own dreams. And he was like, oh my God, I'd never read this before. How would I know about this symbol to show up in my, so that's when he started to figure out that we all share a consciousness, that there is one consciousness, there's the one. And so it's pretty heavy.

Tucker [01:10:33] Glimpses of that, I think, occasionally. People in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a connection between all peoples.

Jimmy Dore [01:10:44] There is only, you know, it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate, right? They're all, you're all part of the same head, you all part in the same body. It's all, we're all a part of same consciousness, there's only one. And so, and we've, you now, split ourselves off from it. We split that into our own conscious, and so if you go into your own conscious and one of the great ways is to go into you dreams and see what they're saying to you and treat it, and you know like Rumi said, what you seek, seeks you. And so, the more attention you pay to your unconscious, the more it will rise up to meet you. And so I've had numinous experiences. I've, I've experienced the divine. I've experience my encounters with archetypal figures in my dreams that have guided me. And...

Tucker [01:11:32] How did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect your dreams?

Jimmy Dore [01:11:36] Well, they became way more vivid and more often. Really? Oh yeah, yeah. And so I speak with a Jungian psychoanalyst once a week, and he used to be the head of the Jung Center in Los Angeles. And he's remarked to me, often that, you're one of the most prolific dreamers that I've ever encountered. And often when I'm telling him about dreams, he'll just go, oh my God. Like he says that a lot. And so it's been a real awakening and I realized that I'm not separate from the divine. I realize that I am not this body, that I have an eternal soul, and even though this body dies, that I don't die, that death is not the opposite of life. Death is the opposite of birth. Life has no opposite. It's eternal. And so once you realize that, it changes a lot things. Like what? It changes how I look at everything. I look at the oneness of everything. I look that this isn't permanent. This body is not permanent. That I have an everlasting soul that I have to pay attention to. That I need to get in touch with. And it fills my life with real meaning. And um...

Tucker [01:12:52] You know part of it to is this is your most radical position of all the radical things you said since we've sat down this is the most counterculture thing you could say

Jimmy Dore [01:13:01] Well, people think they need a priest or they need a preacher or a church, which is all good. The community is good, but you don't need them because you already have a connection to the divine within you. And that's where you need to go. And once you realize that, then you don't need them. That's why they don't tell you about that. And Jesus said that, where did He say the kingdom of heaven is, Tucker? The kingdom of Heaven is in you. You are the light of the world. And what I do, you will do and greater. And And and people they don't they don't need you to know that which is why they get rid of the parts of the bible that talk about that kind of thing and uh, so it's it's uh I I I was a you know, I was the sam harris atheist for I was brought up catholic Went to catholic school for 12 years It never spoke to me and the people who seem to be most catholic seemed not to really embody it, you know And so I was, I was an atheist. I thought, I thought this was it. This is it. And when you're dead, you're dead. And, and now I realized, no, this is what changed your mind.

That's a big change. Well, I had this big dream. Um, it, it usually starts with a big dream, so I had this dream I was kneeling down in front of my house, in front of the bushes, I had a fish hook on a string. And I was drying it through the dirt in front of my bushes. And in my dream, I'm thinking, what am I doing? What am I looking for? And then I saw underneath the dirt, I saw it start moving, like there was an animal underneath there. And I'm like, what the heck? And all of a sudden this black cat emerged and it was all grimy and it had like an oil-like substance on it. And I am like, how could it be even breathing? How could it under there for so long and not be dead? And then it got up and walked around. I'm well, it's okay. It's alive and willing. And so... So I knew that meant something, I didn't know what, I sought out, I started reading Jung, I sought Rebecca Eigen who helped me understand Jung, I got a Jungian analysis.

And so that was, you know, what you seek is seeking you. That was the divine, the unconscious telling me you're ready. You're ready to go into your darkness. You're already go into your shadow, you're ready to go in to your unconscious. You don't know what you're going to find there. And it's probably going to be scary and you don't want to find it, but it's there and it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution. And so here I am and I'm doing it. That's

Tucker [01:15:32] What kind of reaction did you get from your friends?

Jimmy Dore [01:15:37] Um They don't know really they don't really say, you know, I I don't Really have these kind of conversations very often. I have them on my podcast with people Uh, like there's um, I have a book club where we read carl young and we go through it and we talk about it It's really it's it's my favorite thing to do in the world. If I could just do that. I would just do

Tucker [01:15:56] You would just read Carl Jung and talk about it?

Jimmy Dore [01:15:57] Carl Jung and talk about it because that's what it's really all about

Tucker [01:16:02] Yeah, that's so different from the world you've lived in though. Yeah, a hundred percent

Jimmy Dore [01:16:08] Yeah, again, I was an atheist. I didn't know. I asked Carl Jung, is there a God? Do you believe in God? He said, I don't believe I know. Because he experienced God. From 1913 to 1917, I've described it as he could give himself a psychedelic trip in a way. He could somehow consciously access his unconscious. He could meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious, your anima. If you're a male, Your soul, he would say, is your anima, which is your female, your feeling function. It's real, and it's autonomous, and its in your unconscious. And if you're a female, it's your animah, which the male counterpart. And so he encountered these figures in his... And I've encountered some of them, so I had one of those experiences. So, you know, it was scary. It's scary to go into your shadow and the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting onto other people. Yes.

Tucker [01:17:07] And so the idea is... Boy, that's so familiar to anyone who's self-aware. We all do that.

Jimmy Dore [01:17:15] So the idea is you make it conscious, this darkness, this part of you that you hate, you make conscious and you integrate. You don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense. And you integrate it into your conscious mind so you don't have to project it on anybody anymore and your consciousness raised. So that goal isn't to become a better person, the goal is to become more whole person and not split off from who you are. And so that's a, to me, that's the goal to be, to make the unconscious conscious integrated. And even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself, like, you know, I've been dealing with the unrestrained masculine, right? Which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when I don't need to be. And, but you need that part. You need to able to set boundaries and to be able to be angry when you need it. But you need to aware that where it's coming from, so it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life. And even if you think it's negative, it's good in a sense. For instance, right? So the part, look, I always give the example of, so like you have this, you know, you have shit in your uncaused odds. That stuff is smelly and dirty. I don't want to know that's part of me. But, and what helps a rose grow? You need manure. Yes. And so out of manure comes a beautiful rose. So you just have to know how to use it, right. Just like electricity. If I don't know, I'm not an electrician, so if I tried to wire your house, it'd burn down, right? But if somebody knows how to do it, it'll light up the whole house and the whole world, right. So you gotta know how to use it. And so it's that power. So that darkness comes creativity and it also can help you blossom. And so you need, so it, the idea again is to become whole. And that's, and most people don't do, and it's hard work because you don't wanna see. And you know, a lot of guilt comes with it, right, because you find out that In your past, you've done things that hurt your own soul and you feel guilty about it. And I've had that, right? Where I realized through my dreams that I've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul. And the overwhelming guilt that I felt in my dreams, and Jung talks about this, that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt. And I just, I was like, Oh my God. And so it's, it's people don't want to do this work because it's painful. Right.

And they don't teach this and they teach, uh, they teach Freud cause it's easier. And each material is, they don't get it. They don't. Teach you, Carl Jung was about, you know, your soul and your religious experience, your numinous experience, the encounter with the divine, and if you don't have that, you're going to project it just like people did during COVID.

Tucker [01:20:09] It does seem, I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but there is a concerted, organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent, the eternal, the divine from people's consciousness. Like it's never mentioned, it's considered a crackpot even to talk about that, the idea that there's a world that we can't see that's meaningful, that we're connected in any way other than physically. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny. The eternal as ours is.

Jimmy Dore [01:20:42] Well, there's this guy, his name is Bill Donahue, and he's dead now, but he talked about that everybody says they believe in the spirits and the Lord and the Holy Spirit and angels, and then when they show up, you're like, oh, it's crazy. Exactly. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what they do. But just don't forget. The kingdom of heaven is inside you. It's not outside you, it's inside you, you are the light of the world. When did this come to you? It was right before COVID, right when COVID started, I had that big dream. And then I started to go into my unconscious.

Tucker [01:21:25] Do you notice people around you starting to ask questions, have thoughts like this? It does feel like more people are thinking about it.

Jimmy Dore [01:21:32] I have noticed, you know, unfortunate, yes, but they have questions, but the answers are in the wrong places, you now, and they go into organized religion. And I think, you again, I'm not here to put down religion. I think people need community, but you know too often it's about control and that you need to get to God, you need to come through me, which is, you don't. You don't need anybody or anything. You have a connection to the divine and it's inside, it's not external.

Tucker [01:22:06] Everyone feels that on some level. Okay, so I want to end by asking. I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, by the way. Oh, I'm neither, oh my gosh. I just know what I've experienced. It's just kind of weird speaking of the collective consciousness that a lot of people I know like more than 10 started having thoughts like this right around or just before COVID. Okay. Almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it. People who had never thought about anything like this at all, who were totally wrapped up in material concerns, like the ones you mentioned, accumulating wealth, succeeding at work, just whatever, what we're trained to do. A lot of people I know all of a sudden are like, hmm, praying? Maybe that's a real thing. Maybe I should listen to voices whose sources I can't see, stuff like that.

Jimmy Dore [01:22:59] Yeah Again, you know, Carl Jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself that he was placed in his head by God, and he had a direct experience with God. And so, I've had those experiences, and not only do I experience God in my dreams, but I realize that everything is a reflection of God. Everything is God in conscious life and my unconscious life. God is everywhere, everything. The kingdom of heaven is laid upon earth, but the eyes of men don't see it. So it's now, you know, now is the time to meet God, to know the divine, and to know your true identity. It's scary, you now, to do that. I had this dream, I had several dreams that completely changed my life. One of them, at the beginning, I was scared, you know, of this journey. And I was in the jungle, there was a clearing in the jungle and I was sitting there and out from the jungle came this like, it was like half human, half ape, but the head was like a lion. And I like, and it came over to me and it put his hand out and I like oh, it's gonna crush me, you know I was afraid it's going to crush me. But it took my hand very gently. And walked me into the jungle.

And I'm like, what the hell is this, you know? And a couple of weeks later, I'm reading a book and there was that symbol, that lion face, the half face. I'm, like, What? And it's a Mithraic, that's called a Muthraic god. And so that's part of the collective unconscious. That's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious, we're one consciousness that we share. And I was like, Oh my God. And so I interpreted that to mean that Um It's okay, it's gonna be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious, and I'll be there with you to help you and guide you. And so that was just one thing. I have many things like that, that was one of them. And when I saw that picture, I'm like, oh my God, there was a thing in my dream! And so, that's one of those things, I had no knowledge of that. I'd never seen a picture of that before. I never, and but there was my dream in a meaningful way. Wow, that is wild. It was wild. I know people think you're crazy when you talk about this stuff.

Tucker [01:25:26] No, yeah, on one level for sure it's, it's forbidden. It's way more forbidden than criticizing Israel. I mean, this is the actual, no, it true though. This is the actually third rail, I think, is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical or people are like, come on now. But everyone knows it's true.

Jimmy Dore [01:25:48] Yep. And again, I go back to everybody, you know, believes in the Holy Spirit, everybody believes, but then when it shows up, like, oh, what are you, nuts? You think you talk to spirits and stuff like that.

Tucker [01:25:59] Yeah, other countries are different. It's like, yeah, of course, of course you do. So let me just ask you about this country or the West more, you know, the liberal democracies that resemble ours. Every one of them is coming apart. Every one of them has reached kind of the end of a life cycle. They're not serving their people at all. All of this is, this whole project is being.

Jimmy Dore [01:26:20] They've become the fascists that they were supposed to be. I mean, they're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want. You know, they're they're doing austerity now in Europe and Germany and they're ratcheting up for a war with Russia Jeffrey Sachs just wrote an open letter to to the to Germany like hey stop this this one now

Tucker [01:26:38] I know. And they'll ignore him because- And of course they will. Yeah, what a good man he is. Yeah, liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic. They're illiberal. They're illegal and undemocratic.

Jimmy Dore [01:26:50] Just like they proved during COVID. Yes, exactly. If they immediately censorship, shut up, don't ask questions, don't talk against the establishment and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will or you can't go to work, you can travel, you can go to school. That's Nazi stuff. Oh, of course. And again, if it works, you take it. Why do you need me to take it so the medicine works on you? That never made any sense. It will never make any sense Because actually it's not your body or your. Well, then they stop saying so you stop you notice that around covid they stop saying I'm pro-choice and they literally started saying I am pro-abortion.

Tucker [01:27:27] That's what I was like, I'm out. Whatever this is, is too dark for me. But, okay, so all of this, I think, thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention that this system is fake, it's not serving its intended beneficiaries, and it's kind of over. So then the question becomes, well, what next and how do we get there? And the two potential paths are violent revolution, which I'm opposed to, or, somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system. Yeah. And what.

Jimmy Dore [01:28:04] Well, Larry Fink is afraid of a violent revolution. They're all afraid of it. He said that they're gonna start drone bombing these data centers. He's afraid of that.

Tucker [01:28:13] Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that, cause they know how hated they are.

Jimmy Dore [01:28:16] You know, and they did and Jeff Bezos did this softball interview with CNBC last week or two weeks ago, and he talked about how if I pay more taxes, it's not going to help the nurse in Queens and all that stuff, you know. And he goes, if I do my job right, it's going to help people more than my philanthropy. Right. Oh, really? If you do your job right. You know what the turnover rate in a Amazon fulfillment center is? 150%. Yeah. 100 to 150% every year. So that means every eight months. 100% new workers. And so why do one third of your workers at the richest guy in the world are on government assistance?

Tucker [01:28:53] Why am I subsidizing your employees?

Jimmy Dore [01:28:55] That's exactly right. Same thing, you know, same thing you hear about Wal-Mart. This is the country we've devolved into when you have a government by the oligarchs for the oligarcs and the workers get screwed. So that's where we're in and exactly what I said before the... Oh bless you! The only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor. Don't fall for it that your neighbor is the white supremacist, Nazi, racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy. No, they're again suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under. Join with them, oppose those people, the WEF globalists who actually run everything. You know, it's funny people talk about communism, you don't get choice. People think back to, but capitalism has led us to the I think there's three companies that own everything. Vanguard, State Street, and Black Rock. That's the real boss. So Trump has a boss, they all have, and I try to tell people that, you know, the Congress is that they're not, when they get, they're they're not doing the bidding. When they have a session of Congress, people go, oh, do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff? Yes, actually, they do It's called Davos, it's called the Bilderbergs, we now we know that's real that people just think that was crazy big time But but I go I used to say it's no It's just a session of congress you think when they get together They're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly they're in they're doing The bidding of the oligarchs the the donor class the people who actually were their bosses and it ain't you That's just

Tucker [01:30:22] That's no longer, I don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even. It's just, it's all proven now. But because it is proven, that means it can't continue under the current terms. So I don't think given everything you've said, you want violence, but is it inevitable?

Jimmy Dore [01:30:39] Like, how do we get out of this? Well, John O'Neill and John F. Kennedy said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable, right? Or some version of that. Well, it's certainly true. And so, you know, we have more guns in this country than people. So in a sense, that's good, because the government is supposed to fear the people, not the other way around. Exactly. When you fear your government, that is tyranny. And right now, I think people do fear their government. Again, I'm not calling for a violent revolution, but I think we... If workers come together, you have to shut down the machine. And if you can shut down the machine in a meaningful way, if all the truckers stop trucking, if all that railroad workers stop going to work, port workers, that's how you gain control of your, but you see they gave them the port workers. They gave them a nice contract right before Trump got into office. So they see it coming. And so they'd give them, oh, we don't want them to get upset, we don't what them to do. Or if all the teachers didn't go to work, if all the grocery store workers didn't got to work. You know, that's the only way. If anybody else has another idea, let me know, I'll be all for it.

But to me, that is the way that history proves that you can have peaceful revolution.

Tucker [01:31:49] Yeah, I would just correct you on the no teachers that we actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work and they and the people in charge really enjoyed it because ignorant kids mean more viable kids. But I, but critical, like true critical functions. If they stop working, maybe we'll force people to pay attention.

Jimmy Dore [01:32:11] Remember who the essential workers are right? It's not middle management

Tucker [01:32:14] No, is it.

Jimmy Dore [01:32:17] The consultant class? No, it is not. Oh, it's not? It's not the professional managerial class.

Tucker [01:32:22] So what about the private equity people there? No, no, no. They are not essential. You couldn't, I don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes. Right, they just print the money. Exactly.

Jimmy Dore [01:32:33] Did you see that video where they asked I forget the guy's name, but it was Joe Biden's economic advisor And as someone that said hey if we print our own money, why do we borrow it? And he was like for five minutes. He's like, well, that's good. Well, we print money. We definitely print money We definitely borrow money And he goes, I don't know. That's a good question. He couldn't answer the question

Tucker [01:32:53] Have you ever seen that video? No. Yes. I've actually wondered myself.

Jimmy Dore [01:32:57] I wonder it too. They could just create money, quantitative easing, they just invent it, because they don't give that money to you. No, it gives it to the banks. And so what people don't realize, people fear socialism because they fear it's going to take money from the haves and give it to have-nots. But what our version of capitalism has done, this oligarchy, it's an upward transfer of wealth. That's what happened during COVID. Of course. An upward transfer. How many billionaires got invented? And it's continuing. It's from the working class to the oligarchs. That's where we're in right now with three companies that run everything.

Tucker [01:33:34] So again, I don't see that as overstatement. Like I think that's just true what you said. So I don't know, I'm very concerned because I do think the people who are benefiting are so rigid, that's what I, the main thing I notice how rigid they are. They can't handle any disagreement whatsoever. Right. No, like Teddy Roosevelt rolls in and he's like a product of the ruling class. He is the ruling-class. He becomes president by default. The president's assassinated in 1901 and he becomes president and he was like, look this system will collapse unless we give a little bit. And he was the only president of American history able to make that case. And he kind of did adjust it enough that it continued another, well, 125 years. Yeah. But I don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or even just like intelligence. They're too stupid to understand. They're screwing themselves by being this rigid. That's mo-

Jimmy Dore [01:34:32] my view. Well, it's the, you know, um, also FDR saw that there was a revolution of the workers and he was afraid that he told his ruling class, Hey, this is coming here. If you don't give people some of your money, if you don't t give them some of their money, they're going to take all of your money. And so he gave people jobs. He created the jobs program and, uh, created social security and CCC. Yes. And things like that. And, uh. But then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists, right? And because they were a very force for them. So not that anybody's for communism, but indeed that kind of counterbalance.

Tucker [01:35:05] And the economic populace above all.

Jimmy Dore [01:35:07] That's right.

Tucker [01:35:07] So Huey Long somehow gets assassinated before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards, kind of weird. Sorry, excuse me, but, uh, but I just want, but either one, either Roosevelt, you know, they're different, but like they had the same impulse, which is this system is out of whack and it's going to get taken down by force unless we adjust it a little bit. And I don't see the current, I don't see Larry Fink is capable of doing that, do you?

Jimmy Dore [01:35:38] Quite the opposite, right? It's more, you know, capitalism always at the end stage devolves into fascism, which is where we are. The surveillance state, these data centers, flock cameras, they built 80 billion dollars for ICE to get the illegal immigrants. By the way, they're not. I know. So what is that police force? It is for you! Right. And so when you wake up and so now they're gonna make you a terrorist you're gonna you're going to be an anti Technological terrorist just like they had echo terrorists people who've and so you're Gonna be the terrorist and those prisons are for you because they're not getting they want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap labor And it's always a joke. They're not get rid of them That's all all that stuff where they're shooting people that's all for show, right? That's not that you are the target And that's what those prisons are for. And now we got their own private Gestapo called ICE. And what could go wrong? You take 50,000 TGI Friday bouncers and give them guns, masks, and unmarked cars and turn them loose.

Tucker [01:36:37] Well, because the truth is that illegal immigrants, you know, the guys like hiring at a day rate out of, you know Home Depot parking lot, you know there's a lot of drunk driving, but in general, not that unruly a group. Correct, those are the people looking to work. You know who's unruly is like you, you're unruly. No, I'm serious, you were born here, you have a birthright, you feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interests because you own the government, like you're a huge problem. But you and people like you.

Jimmy Dore [01:37:08] Well, that's why they tapped into my phone using Pegasus. Actually? Yeah, that actually happened. So when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I did it via Zoom. I was in Italy at the time, and it was on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing. Oh, yes. And so they asked me to speak Russia. And so I accepted and I gave a speech and I give it to them, you know, like you're all dupes and idiots if you think that this was done by Russia and the fact that. You know, Germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy. Now they're paying two and three times higher for air and to go along with this. And you're all morons. And I basically use that language. And so on the plane ride home on my head, my laptop, I said that that time I used to travel with my laptop. I don't anymore. And it said MacBook, the now controls your iCloud account. And I was like, what, what is this? I don't even know what the heck. So I get off, I call my IT guy who is a former. In military intelligence right and his whole job is to try to crack into companies computer system to find vulnerabilities so i call him and i tell him i go hey did this happen he goes oh my god jimmy even i couldn't do that and i said what what and so i he i give him my computer i give him my phone and he said that was pegasus and i go well who did this he goes it wasn't a person no because this was a state actor yeah and i was like and so it happened immediately after I testified. At the UN Security Council, and so that's why I have two phones now, right? So one's the phone. So now they got me, Tucker. By the way, if I ever become a threat, they got me. They either have all my compromising material and my iCloud on my computer, on my phone, or they planted something. So they got me, right. So I got it. So you'll know if I'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out, it's because I now have become an actual threat.

Tucker [01:39:01] You know, that's so true. I did an interview with Glenn Greenwald the last summer here, and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on Netanyahu, literally the next day.

Jimmy Dore [01:39:14] Yeah, that's exactly right.

Tucker [01:39:16] This tape comes out of, you know, super embarrassing Glenn Greenwald sex tape, which I didn't watch, but I just wanna say how much I love Glenn. Those aren't connected? Of course, I know immediately. By the way, the first person to defend him, the first to defend was Charlie Kirk, which is just incredible. Charlie Kirk.

Jimmy Dore [01:39:33] Charlie Kirk, the new Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions about that.

Tucker [01:39:36] Charlie Kirk is an evangelical, pretty darn anti-gay, and then Glenn Greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape and Charlie Kirk was the first guy to be like. Man, I thought that was, makes me emotional thinking about it.

Jimmy Dore [01:39:52] Yeah, I mean, Charlie had started to have an awakening. Oh, you think? He had a lot younger than I had it, and so that's why they had to kill him. And when I say they, I meant multiple. There was a conspiracy to kill them. It wasn't some guy, Tyler Robinson, with his grandpa's rifle, which was never fired, which is why they couldn't find that rifle. You have to swallow so much stuff. To believe the story that the establishment is pushing for Charlie Kirk's assassination You have to think that this first of all a 30-06 bullet Didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window into back of his neck somehow He had a miracle he could his miracle bullet remember that hey, uh Can can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle? Do you have an actual explanation? No So, but it goes back to, so this guy gets to the campus, he drives three, all of a sudden he wakes up one day and goes, you know what, I'm going to commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years. He drives through the campus. He finds the open stairwell. It's an open, nobody's there. He brings the gun up, but it's too big. So he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack. Still too big for his backpack, so he has put it down his pad legs is what they tell. But then if he did, he couldn't go up the steps because he couldn t bend his knees. So I don't know how he got it up there. Nobody will tell me. So, he gets up there and then he his clothes. He's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes. That's according to the governor. He was up there for eight to ten minutes. Nobody sees him. The cops don't see him.The million-dollar security team doesn't see them. Nobody sees them except people in the crowd did see him and they don't tell you that. Just like in Butler, Pennsylvania, people in crowd saw him. Guess who didn't see? The cops, the local cops, estate cops, the Secret Service. People see him so and then he like so he puts the gun together. He lines up the shot, puts a scope on it. By the way, if that scope was on and he couldn't fire that gun because of the same anyway so he slides it up takes the shot hits it perfect perfectly takes the gun apart leaves the screwdriver there puts it under a towel spider-man's his way off the top of a building runs across campus with the gun apparently under towel nobody sees this he runs into the woods puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver he's a regular MacGyver this guy and then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir and if you I don't think anything else besides that, you're a crazy Jew-hating conspiracy nut. Do you know that they had the gun sniffing dogs, right? Which they can sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain, right. They were looking all over, they didn't find it. The FBI shows up, a minute later, we got the gun. Did you know? No. Yeah, Baron Coleman's been doing great work on this and he got the police transmitter, all that stuff. He got that, that's available. And so it wasn't until the FBI showed up. Oh, well, we got it. The local police couldn't find it. And the dog sniffers couldn't fight it. They can find it and they couldn't. But then the FBI's showed up and they found it in the exact place. So, and then they wouldn't even release that to the defense team. They're still holding on to it. And then of course then he decides to text his lover instead of waiting for him to get home. It's only a three hour drive. He's like, you know what? He said, I wanted to take this secret to my grave. First of all, he talks like he's ready to go. He's writing a Jane Austen novel. My love. And then he says I wanted to take this secret to my grave, but fuck it I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave it here on a text message to you so the FBI can find it And so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed go out in a blaze of glory He because the original text messages that they said he wrote said I don't want to go to prison I'm not gonna go out. I don't want to be dragged through the courts I'm going to go so he was suppose to get shot just like in Butler Crooks about he was s'posed to get killed He didn't he went and turned himself in which screwed up their plan And so they had to rewrite those text messages. Did you know that there's text messages one and text messages 2.0? So they had the rewrite this. Yeah, that's all. And they said that he confessed on Discord or on Reddit. And of course, now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said he did that. So what guy shows up, turns himself in, pleads the fifth, I'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets there. But then he goes on the internet and gives a confession.

Okay, so this is obviously a setup and you're not allowed to ask questions about it. And if you are, you are attacking a grieving widow. And that's again, when did Jackie over say quit looking in, stop, quit looking into who killed my husband, never, that's not what happens and that's not how you grieve by the way. I remember when my dad died, my mom immediately bought a gold sequined pants outfit, started carrying sparklers around and selling t-shirts and my friends are like, Jimmy, what's with your mom? I'm like, she's grieving. So I'll just leave that there. And so, you know, Dan Bongino. Um who was who famously said don't ever stop talking about the Epstein files He gets in a position of power to do something about it. And now he changes his tune to say Oh, i'm supposed to I was there to do my job, which is to keep custody of the evidence No, you weren't there to keep Custody of the Evidence you were there to put in custody for the people who are in that evidence you fucking phony Anyway, I get upset

Tucker [01:45:12] You have every reason to.

Jimmy Dore [01:45:13] So we're being lied to on a massive scale. The one guy who was credited with stopping the Iran War the first time, they had to get him out of there. And he had realized that he had woken up and his his his organization is a Zionist operation as it was from the beginning. And he woke up to that. He was living in a truant show. And he called it. He orders an investigation, a Doge style investigation into the accounting, because there's all if you look into it, uh wolves of finance is a youtube channel who's really explored all this about all the shady financial stuff That was happening inside TPUSA so they all had motive to cover that to not only be a part of it But to cover it up and uh, and and and so he orders that he turns down their money He turned they they all lie that he said they're gonna kill me the they they and Candace Owens it proves that the text messages were there then and by the way Why does the fbi not have control of his phone? Why would they give it to us? This none of this all of it met none of it makes sense So this is all a big Psyop. It's a Zionist organization. He had realized that he'd realized what Zionism was He realized that that Israel was not in our best interest that they're not our greatest ally and they had to get and so they Tried everything they tried and in some reports said they were off from a billion dollars to his organization And he turned it down and if you can turn that down, there's only one thing left to do and that's to kill you And it's sad And you're just like Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions. And when you're not allowed to ask, hey, if you if Candace Owens is crazy nuts, then keep let her talk. Give her enough rope to hang herself. Keep it going. Just like Brian Harpal did on that CIA guys podcast. He gave him enough rope to hang himself and he hung himself several times on that day. What a used car salesman that Brian Harpol has spent thousands of dollars on. They didn't have drone coverage. He pretends they didn't drone coverage well. Frank Turek says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event so they're lying back and forth all over the place they didn't have security watching the roof They don't have security watches. Well, the local police were supposed to take care of it. Okay. Get the, okay. So, uh, it's a, it' a, uh it's set up. Uh, it's a lie. And just like Seth Rich and Charlie said, just like we learned during COVID. Keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free. And now they've completely flipped his message. Stop. Just stop. Stop asking questions. That was his whole MO. That was the reason for his raison d'etre was to ask questions. Exactly. And now you're not supposed to. And I tell people, you see these social media influencers out there telling you that Candice is evil or demonic and stop. It happened exactly way Cash Patel said it did. If anybody's telling you that, they are corrupted on the take and they're your enemy. And do not listen to them. Because those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information. They're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant.

Tucker [01:48:12] The great Jimmy Dore. Wow, you just wound me up. I'm gonna need to walk around.

Jimmy Dore [01:48:18] Thank you. Okay. It's great to see you as well.

Tucker [01:48:20] God bless you.