Are Christians Required to Pledge Loyalty to Bibi Netanyahu Carrie Prejean Boller & Tucker Respond
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Tucker [00:00:04] Carrie,
thank you for doing this. I've been watching you on the internet. I've never
met you, but I'm grateful for your honesty and your bravery. And the precision
of what you say, you never, in the face of all this criticism, never got so mad
that you revealed ugly sentiments, which I don't think you have. You just stuck
right to the Christian case. So bless you for that. How did you get involved in
the President's Religious Liberty Commission? What is it and how did you become
a member of it? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:00:32]
Very good question. So I was Miss California in 2009. Donald Trump owned
the Miss Universe, Miss USA organization. Uh, it was very controversial, but I
dared to say onstage that I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.
Yes. And I don't know if you remember that. I do remember it and they punished
you for it. Huge controversy. Um, that was really before anybody was canceled.
So I, I always tell people I was one of the first to be canceled. 

 

Tucker [00:00:56] The
crazy thing is the majority of Californians agreed with you because they voted
in a referendum pretty overwhelming. Prop 8, which was then invalidated by a
judge because democracy is fake. But you were saying what most of your fellow
Californians believed. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:01:12]
Yeah, and I was just standing on my principles, which is what I'm doing
now. So Donald Trump loved me. He said, Carrie, this is going to be the best
thing that ever happened to you. I remember one day it was in his office and
he's like, Carrie you have the it factor. And I'm like, what is that? I was 21
years old. I'm, like, What does that mean? And he's, like you just have it.
He's, you dared to speak the truth, knowing what it would cost you. And I think
he really respected me for that. And so at 21, I became this. You know,
conservative darling, I guess you could say, and dared to stand up for my
faith. And I doubled down. You know, they told me, go on Matt Lauer and
apologize for what you said. You must apologize. Did they really tell you that?
Oh yeah, yeah. The pageant people said, go and apologize. And I turned my phone
off. I went on Matt, Lauer and he's like, all right, Carrie, let's do a redo.
How would you answer the question? I said, I have no regrets. I would literally-

 

Tucker [00:02:06] You're
getting a lecture on sexual ethics from Matt Lauer. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:02:09]
Okay. The irony of that. Yeah, so I said I'd rather be biblically
correct than politically correct. And from there, it was like, I mean, I was on
every news station every day for the four months. It was nonstop. It was to the
point of like harassment, like my 90-year-old grandmother was being harassed. I
mean it was insane. But I stood firm and I did not waver. 

 

Tucker [00:02:33] And
your position, just to restate all these years later, was I believe marriage is
between a man and a woman. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:02:38]
That was my answer. I said, no offense to anyone out there. This is the
way I was raised. This is what I believe marriage is between one man and one
woman. And I got second place and I got dragged through the mud. It was
horrible. And the president loved me. And he said, Carrie, this is what do you
want to do? He's like, do you wanna be on dancing with the stars? Do you want,
to be on Fox news? I did like a little tryout on the morning show at Fox with
Roger Ailes in New York. I didn't want to that. I didn't want to wake up at 3
a.m. No, you don't. And I said, you know what, Mr. President, all I want to do
is get married, be a mom. I had met Kyle and I just said, I just want to go on
with my life, but I do want to write a book because nobody can take my story
from me. And so he signed off on it. Thank God he did, because it was amazing
that I was able to share my story. And I just kept in touch with him all these
years. And so I would defend him when they were calling him a sexist, saying he
was going backstage and looking at the girls and Miss USA and the... You know,
changing rooms, and I would just constantly be like, no, that's not the guy.
Like, you're painting him as this sexist, misogynist, racist, you know? And he
was being called every name in the book, you remember. And I just defended him,
always, because I stand on truth. And then fast forward to this Religious
Liberty Commission, and I got a call from the White House two days after I was
confirmed as a Catholic. And they said, we're calling on behalf of the
president and we want to invite you to be on this Religious Liberty Commission.

 

Tucker [00:04:09] When
was that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:04:10]
It was April 20th, I want to say, 2025. And I wept, I was like, wow,
this is incredible. I mean, almost 20 years later, after I took that stand,
here I am now defending religious liberty, because I ultimately lost the Miss
USA, or Miss California title because of my answer, I will say that. They took
it away from me. I remember. Yeah. And the president had my back, which was,
which was amazing. He said, she just said nothing wrong. She stood on her
principles. And I loved that about him. 

 

Tucker [00:04:43] Amen,
I agree. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:04:44]
Because that was when it was unpopular to do that. Yes. You know, he
risks a lot. I was standing there at Trump Tower with him and it was amazing.
I'll never forget that. And so we just stayed friends. I would call him while
he's on the golf course and be like, hey, they're asking me to go on the gay
pride parade. I don't want to do. And he's like, I'll take care of it, don't
worry. And so. 

 

Tucker [00:05:04] The
pageant people are trying to get you to march in the gay pride parade. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:05:06]
Yeah, they're like, well, you can make it up to the gays by just going
to the gay pride parade and showing that you're not a homophobe. So I'm used to
these tricks. I've been doing this 20 years, so yeah. So that's how I got on
the commission. 

 

Tucker [00:05:23] It's
exactly what's happening now. It's exactly, topic has changed sort of, but not
the tactics. So what did they tell you the Religious Liberty Commission was? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:05:35]
They told me that the Religious Liberty Commission was 12 of us, 12
commissioners. And our job was to hear from everyday average Americans who were
facing religious persecution, like myself right now, ironically. So we would
have hearings in DC once a month and Dan Patrick is the chairman of the
commission. We're equals on this commission. Who's Dan Patrick? He's the
Lieutenant Governor of Texas. He's not above me. I'm not above him. We're
equal. Um, and it's under the department of justice. So Pam Bondi is, um,
involved. Actually, yeah. 

 

Tucker [00:06:08] Okay.

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:06:10]
So we were told that we were going to be hearing from people at these
hearings. It's from like 8 to 2 in the afternoon, so a very long day. And the
witnesses, we could recommend witnesses and then have them come and testify. I
recommended so many great witnesses throughout these past seven months. I
recommended a little boy who was forced to read a book about how you can be a
transgender. And he came and met the president and everybody got to see that.
That was special. The president really appreciated him and his parents' stance
and standing up for religious freedom. So stuff like that. We heard from a Navy
SEAL who lost his pension because he didn't want to get the COVID shot. Things
like that, where we were doing really great work. And I thought it was actually
protecting religious freedom, but I realize now that's not what it was. 

 

Tucker [00:06:58] No,
it was softening up Christians for the Iran War, obviously, and other things.
Who were the other members of it? The other 11. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:07:07]
Yeah, so I actually, when I got the call, I actually wept because I
didn't feel qualified. I thought, you know, here I am amongst these incredible
names. Bishop Barron, Cardinal Dolan, Kelly Shackleford, he's run a religious
liberty law firm for 35 years. He's a big CEO. Um, you had Ryan Anderson, you
had crazy Paula White. Um, just these incredible names. You have a woman,
Alison Ho, who I believe her husband might be the next Supreme Court justice.
Just, she's argued at the Supreme Court over, I think eight times. I mean, here
I am, this mom who I just didn't feel qualified. 

 

Tucker [00:07:55] I
didn't make the connection between your own experience of religious
discrimination and disappointment, but clearly that was the point, right? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:08:02]
Then I realized that, no, I am qualified. In fact, I'm probably one of
the most qualified because I don't know how many people on that stage have ever
been attacked, have ever been slandered, have every been canceled, have ever
lost anything. I mean, look at Dr. Phil. He's on the commission. He has a huge
organization. They have big backing, big money behind them. And here I am, this
little mom that I'm not owned by anybody. They can't take anything from me. And
that's why I'm free, and that's why I said what I said that day. 

 

Tucker [00:08:33] So
what were the meetings like? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:08:36]
Prior to the anti-Semitism hearing, they were incredible. I was crying
as I would listen to these people who are facing religious persecution. The end
of this, the main part of this commission, is the end of the one-year
appointment was we were going to sit down with the president and say, okay,
here's our report. Here's what we recommend that you, you know, maybe executive
orders that you can push to protect religious freedom. And so I took this, this
position very serious, very serious. Um, it makes me sad. You know, I was the
champion for mothers who didn't want to vaccinate their kids to go to school.
Um, I listened to people that are suffering in Gaza that simply just were protesting
at their college campus, they're using their first amendment rights. It's, it's
crazy. 

 

Tucker [00:09:30] Did
you have any sense from talking to the other members between April when you got
it and January, I think, when this contra-tomp happened, did you have any sense
that the other numbers of the commission were trying to steer you in a certain
direction, disagreed with you, had an agenda that was not stated? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:09:50]
I realized in August, so I got appointed in April, or May, May 1st,
National Day of Prayer, went to the White House, the President signed the
executive order, we're all standing there, and then we took the summer break.
So we had a couple of months off, and then our first hearing was going to be, I
believe it was end of August or early September. End of August, I got a call
from the White House, the PPO, or I guess it was, no, it was the designated
federal officer who's in charge of the commission. So the head of Dan, he's the
chairman and then his boss. And she's like, Hey, Carrie, I noticed that you've
been posting some things online. And there's been some chatter in the White
House that you're an anti-Semite. 

 

Tucker [00:10:37] You're
an anti-semite? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:10:38]
And I literally was like, what are you talking about? Who was this
person? Her name's Mary Margaret Bush. And she said, I don't know who it is,
but it's probably some low person that is just trying to cause problems. I
would ignore it, but I just wanted to make sure that you're mindful of what
you're posting. And that was the first time where I was like okay, like I am
not, this is not a paid position. I'm a volunteer. They pay for my flight, they
pay for mine. Hotel, but that's it, I'm not paid to do this job, I am
volunteering this job. And so I said, wait a second, I pushed back and I said
you're telling me that as a religious liberty commissioner, to protect
religious liberty, I don't have my religious liberty to post about things that
affect my religion and my religious beliefs? So I said I pushedback and I asked
what are the things that I've been posting? Well, you posted Tucker Carlson's,
or you posted the Green Beret that you interviewed. Anthony Aguilar. I said yeah,
I did. I did post that. That's sad, that's heartbreaking to me. 

 

Tucker [00:11:43] Including
people in food lines, which they have. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:11:45]
Yeah, I said I'm a pro-life Christian. I have a duty to speak out, and
it would be a betrayal of my conscience not to. 

 

Tucker [00:11:52] So
this woman from the White House said that posting an interview that I did made
you an anti-Semite? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:11:58]
She said that there were people complaining about certain things that I
was posting. And then this was the worst. She said, you posted Pope Leo and
what he said, and you wrote in the caption, that there's suffering in Gaza and
there's a genocide. You really just, you shouldn't use that language. That's
when I knew this is a war. We are in an absolute war. I said, I'm a Catholic.
You're telling me that I have to censor my posts of Pope Leo, the Holy Father.
I can't post what he's saying, talking about the grave suffering of the
Palestinians in Gaza. And she said, you also cannot talk about Zionism. So
Zionism, this is her words, is their right to exist. And so when you're posting
about Zionist, Carrie, You're saying that the Jews don't have a right to exist.

 

Tucker [00:12:59] Mary
Margaret Bush is re- 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:13:00]
Mary Margaret Bush is her name. She's a young woman. And I said, well,
this wouldn't jeopardize my position on the commission, would it? Like the
president doesn't know about this, right? Because imagine me, I'm like, I just
got appointed. I'm super excited. I am passionate. This is like my dream job to
protect religious freedom. And now I'm being told, I don't have my own. And she
goes, oh, no, no. The president, no don't worry about this Carrie, this
wouldn't jeopardize. So I just kept posting. Well, then I got a call from the
PPO office at the White House. 

 

Tucker [00:13:29] May
I just ask you to pause for one sec? Did she, did Mary Margaret Bush tell you
who had called you an anti-Semite? That's a serious slander. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:13:37]
Oh yeah 

 

Tucker [00:13:37] Did
she name the people saying that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:13:38]
She said I have no idea who it is. 

 

Tucker [00:13:40] Oh,
it's just people people are saying. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:13:42]
I think the people was Paula White, let's just be honest, it was Paula
white, I think. 

 

Tucker [00:13:47] Okay,
so now I'm sorry to keep interrupting this amazing narrative, but for people
who don't follow this who is Paula White? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:13:55]
Paula White is Trump's pastor. That's who he picked as his b- 

 

Tucker [00:14:00] And
she's a pastor, she's, that's her official position, she is a pastor. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:14:04]
I don't believe women can be pastors, but who am I, I'm just a dumb mom
in California. 

 

Tucker [00:14:09] So,
is she's a Christian pastor, Paul? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:14:12]
She's a Christian Zionist evangelical heretic, in my opinion, but yeah,
she runs the White House, the faith office, White House position, and she's on
the Religious Liberty Commission with me and very involved in all things Bibi
Netanyahu. And so I got a call from 

 

Tucker [00:14:30] How
would you rate her authority as a Christian leader? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:14:35]
Oh, I don't take her serious at all. I don't think she's a Christian
leader. I think she is a crazy person, honestly. I think shes a heretic. 

 

Tucker [00:14:45] Um,
for people who think you're throwing those terms around lightly or slandering
her, I think it'd be worth going online and reading about her and watching
videos of her demanding money from her congregation on film with some other
Christian pastor in a foreign country. Clearly, um, she's got a complicated
personal life and saying things that bear no resemblance at all to Christian
doctrine that I think is fair what you're saying, I guess is my point. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:15:13]
Yeah, so I got a call from the White House, Mary Sproles, another Mary,
and I looked her up. 

 

Tucker [00:15:19] From
Presidential Personnel Office. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:15:21]
Yes, PPO office. Yeah, I got a call in August, shortly after that phone
call with the other Mary, and I'll never forget it. I answered the phone, and
she's like, Hi Carrie, this is Mary Sproul calling from the White House PPO
Office. I'm calling to ask you for your resignation today. 

 

Tucker [00:15:40] When
was this? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:15:40]
This was in August. This was in August, a few weeks after. Yes, very
scary. And I remember I had like a tear just come down, but I wasn't sad. It
was like, it was like anger. 

 

Tucker [00:15:54] Had
you gone to any meetings of the commission at this point? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:15:57]
Our first, we had a first hearing just briefly, like a brief hearing on
kind of the history of religious freedom in America. But our first hearing, the
most important hearing coming up, the little boy that had to read the book, was
a few weeks later. 

 

Tucker [00:16:10] Okay.
So this is before you even like served out your duty. Oh, yeah. No, it was
before the first official hearing. It was when she asked for your resignation. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:16:17]
She said, I want your written resignation today. And I said, who are
you? I thought this was a joke. Who is this person? And she goes, I am calling
on behalf of the White House. I said why would you ask me for my resignation? I
just got on this commission. What did I do wrong? 

 

Tucker [00:16:35] Boy,
you are tough. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:16:36]
Oh, I was not going to go down without a fight, because I knew it. 

 

Tucker [00:16:40] Clearly,
I'm just looking at your husband who's nodding, she's tough. So, excuse me. No,
no good for you. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:16:47]
Yeah, I said, I'm not resigning, and I don't know who asked you to have
me resign. Was it the president? Because I think the president should ask me to
resign if he wants me to resign. He appointed me and only he can ask for my
resignation. So I'm not resining. So we got off the phone. We b- 

 

Tucker [00:17:03] Wait,
but on what grounds was she demanding a resignation? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:17:05]
She did not answer any questions. She was just told it was like a
puppet. She was like, I got to just send the message. So I called her back. 

 

Tucker [00:17:13] So
she said, we're asking for your resignation, but she did not explain why. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:17:17]
No, she said, it's just not working out. Yeah, literally now that it's
coming back to me. 

 

Tucker [00:17:23] This
was not a Tinder date, it's just not working out. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:17:25]
It's just not working out. And I'm going, this is serious. This is very
serious. Yeah. So then I hung up and then I wanted to make sure it was a legit
person. So I called right back and I said, hi, Mary. I said this is Carrie. I'm
just curious. Please, I know you don't want to give me information. I know,
you're just the messenger because I don't wanna be mean to her. Of course. But
I said who is telling you to have me resign? Who have you talked to? And I'll
never forget it. She didn't want to say it, but she finally said it. She goes,
I've talked to Paula White and Dan Patrick and Brittany Baldwin, who Brittany
Baldwin used to work for Ted Cruz. So it's all making sense now what's going
on. So this is a witch hunt. They're trying to actively remove me. And they
know that the only way that I could be removed is if I resign or if I die, or
if the president removes me. So in my mind, I'm thinking, does the president
know about this? Or is this just the l- Dan and Paula trying to out me on their
own. I think they thought, oh, if we ask her to resign, she'll resign. But I
didn't resign. I said, no, there's no reason to resign. You should resign,
actually. Why are you asking me to resign? So she told me, Dan, Patrick, Paula.
So immediately, imagine how boiling I was. So I tried to get in touch with
Paula White. No response. I tried to get in touch with Dan. 

 

Tucker [00:18:49] How
did you call them or text them or? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:18:51]
The weirdest part about this commission, I honestly think it's so fake
and gay because we didn't even have each other's phone numbers, emails. I had
to literally ask, hey, can I get Paula White's email? So I actually called her
daughter-in-law. Her name's Rachel. She's a pastor, young woman. And I said,
hey, Rachel. I said I just got this disturbing call. I need to talk to Paula
immediately. And she's like, okay, let me try to get ahold of her. Paula never
called me back. I waited for like a week and a half. 

 

Tucker [00:19:22] It
was- Isn't she required to in the New Testament? If you have a conflict with a
fellow Christian. Is it Matthew 18? Matthew 18 Man, you're good. Yeah. But I
mean, that's a requirement from Jesus. You've got a problem. Go directly to
that person. Exactly. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:19:34]
Yeah, so I did and she did not want to call me back and then her
daughter-in-law, I got her on the phone and her daughter in law said, yeah, I
talked to my mom and she said, don't worry about it. There's a lot of snakes in
DC. There's lot of snake in the White House and I would just ignore it and my
mother-in law loves you, Carrie. Don't worry about. I think it's just one of
the snakes in the White House. 

 

Tucker [00:19:57] But
Paul White would not speak to you directly. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:20:01]
So then finally, after I was on pins and needles for a week and a half,
wondering what's going on, am I on this commission? I emailed everybody, I
called Bishop Barron, I got him on the phone. I said, hey, have you been, did
you like hear that they tried to remove me? He goes, what? Why would they try
to remove you? I said I have no idea other than I've been criticizing Israel
and, you know, talking about the genocide in Gaza. Sorry, I'm a pro-life
Christian. I can't sit here while children are being starved and bombed. And he
totally supported me. And he's like, this is insane. You would never be removed
from that. Bishop Barron told me that. Talk to Ben Carson. Have you—Ben
Carson's on the commission with me. Hey, Ben, did you hear about them trying to
remove me from this commission? No, absolutely not. Ignore it. I've never heard
of anything about this. Kelly Shackelford, same thing. I said, you're a
religious liberty attorney for 35 years. Did I do something wrong? Am I not
allowed to have my religious freedom while serving on this religious liberty
commission? Or do I have to be a Zionist who supports a genocide? Is that the
requirements of this commission?" He said the same thing, I haven't heard
a word. I literally talked to almost everyone on the commission. I talked to
Cardinal Dolan in person. I said, they tried to get me off this commission,
Cardinal. He goes, what for what? I said well, cause I've been posting about
Gaza. He goes I just gave humanitarian relief to Gaza, so if they're gonna kick
you off, I guess they're going to kick me off too. Literally his words, Cardnal
Dolan. They all supported me. 

 

Tucker [00:21:26] So
at this point you believed it was just Paula White, the lieutenant, why would
the lieutenant governor of Texas be on this commission? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:21:35]
I think that he is a snake. I think him and Paula are together in this
and they wanted to get rid of any dissenting voice that goes against their
Zionists. 

 

Tucker [00:21:46] On
the commission. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:21:46]
I didn't even know who he was, I had no idea who he was, but I guess
Trump appointed him as the chairman of this commission. So then I got a call
after I was on pins and needles, I finally got a call and it was Dan and Paula.
And I'll never forget, I literally remember every word. Dan Patrick and Paula
White. Yes, they called me and they said, Hi Carrie, I know you've been worried
this past couple weeks, but Dan started and he goes, I just want to let you
know we've been in meetings about your situation. 

 

Tucker [00:22:16] What
situation? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:22:17]
Yeah, what situation that I'm posting about, God forbid, I criticize
Israel, can't do that while serving in this administration. And he said, you
know, I just want to let you know Carrie, your job on this commission, I'll
never forget this Tucker, your jobs on this Commission is protect the president
and his reputation. He said that to me the first thing out of his mouth. I
couldn't believe it. I go, what? I thought my job is protect religious freedom.
I thought that's what he appointed me to do. And he goes, you know, you've been
saying things online, Cari, and you really need to stay off social media. Do
not use social media between now and the end of your term. And then Paula White
chimed in, and she said, yeah, Carie, you know what? You really shouldn't be
posting about replacement theology. You shouldn't me posting about that. And
there's a lot of people that are saying that you're an anti-Semite, Carri, by
your posts. You're criticizing Zionism, you're criticizing Israel, and we have
a problem with that. And then Dan chimed in again, and he got loud, he got real
loud, and he's like, you know, Carrie, because I pushed back, and I said, wait
a second, I said what am I posting that is so offensive to you? That's against
the rules of this commission, because I didn't sign anything saying I wasn't
going to use my social media. I speak out about things that I care about. I'm a
religious person, I'm Christian. And he said, you've been saying things that go
against—never forget this— he goes, you been saying thing that are not in
alignment with the president and are not alignment with Paula White and some of
the other members on this commission. And that's when I knew that this
commission was a fraud. It was pretend. It was not about religious freedom. It
was about you better be a Zionist, you better push our agenda. Or you're off.
And that was in August. So we ended the conversation. Dan got really upset
because I said, I really do want to keep posting. I'm not going to not use my social
media. Can't agree to that, Dan. And he goes, well, why don't you just, if you
have any questions about Israel or Gaza, because Paula White chimed in and was
like, I'm the expert in that. 

 

Tucker [00:24:36] You're
just always an expert on Gaza. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:24:38]
Yeah, I'm the expert in that. You know, I just got back from there and
there's no kids starving there. It's all fake, Carrie. It's, it's all pretend.
Yeah. And so she said, if you want. 

 

Tucker [00:24:46] Christian
minister saying that? Yeah, yeah. Do you think that she, at any point in the
course of a day, feels like, oof, I'm gonna have to answer for this at some
point? No, I think she's just- To deny the death of children in the name of
Jesus is a pretty heavy thing to do. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:25:01]
It's pretty, it's pretty sick. It's pretty dark. And she said, I want
you, if you have any questions about anything, if want to post anything, you
need to run it by me first. So now Paula White, an equal of mine on this
commission, is now telling me that I have to get everything approved by her in
order to post about my religious beliefs. Is that insane? 

 

Tucker [00:25:28] That's
making my heart beat fast listening to this. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:25:31]
So that's the back story. 

 

Tucker [00:25:32] Well,
it's completely evil. And I'll just say, I know Paula White sort of, I know Dan
Patrick very well. He's a lot more liberal than I am. He's quite liberal, but I
always liked him. You know, he's not stupid, um, at all. And I'm shocked by
this. I was shocked by it. It's so disgraceful. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:25:53]
I cried actually, I cried. I cried to my husband, I cried to kids, I
couldn't believe this. I couldn't believe that this was happening in the United
States of America that we care more about protecting a foreign nation than we
do our own people. 

 

Tucker [00:26:08] Did
either one of them, so Dan is a self-described Christian, Paula White is some
kind of Christian minister, I guess. I wanna be clear, it doesn't look like
Christianity to me, but I'm trying not to judge. But did either one them
explain why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu
government? Do they explain the theology there? Because I don't understand it. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:26:30]
Yeah, no, they never explained it. They just said, you can't have your
theology. You can't believe what you want. You have to submit to ours. 

 

Tucker [00:26:39] But
their theology is that Christians are required as a matter of faith to support
the government of Israel. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:26:46]
Oh yeah, oh yeah. Those who bless Israel will be blessed. That's exactly
what Ted told you. 

 

Tucker [00:26:53] Yeah,
I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible it was. Of course, that line is not
actually in the bible. It doesn't say that. But whatever, the leap between
that, whatever that means, it does mean something. And the moral, the religious
requirement to support the government of Israel. I mean those are just like
completely two different things. I did. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:27:15]
No, they don't think they are. 

 

Tucker [00:27:16] Did
Paula White or Dan Patrick explain where you were wrong on doctrine? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:27:23]
No, they just said, I cannot hold firm to replacement theology, which
they don't know, Catholics, it's fulfillment theology. We believe that we are
the fulfillment, you know, it is not replaced. They like to dig us and say, oh,
you believe in replacement theology. No, no, no. We're the fulfillment. Christ
is the fulfillment of Israel. 

 

Tucker [00:27:42] Well,
that's what it says in the New Testament. So we are the new people of God,
yeah, exactly. I mean, it says it like on every page. So, but they're accusing
you of believing in something called replacement theology. For people who don't
follow this, and I'm kind of one of them, I don't fully understand what that
means, what do they mean by that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:27:57]
They believe that, so replacement theology, their claim is that the
church has replaced Israel. So for 2,000 years, that's what all of the early
church fathers have taught, that we are the new Israel, we're the spiritual
Semites. They would literally be rolling in their graves if they thought that
we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment. I
mean, that alone is insane. That they think that this political state of Israel
that was created in 48, mostly by atheists, is some biblical prophecy being
fulfilled. And I mean, you're aware of Darby and Schofield, and so this is the
fruit of that, of those rotten— 

 

Tucker [00:28:40] Is
there any other place in America, I mean in the world rather, where you have a
big group of Christians who believe that 1948 Israel is a fulfillment of
prophecy? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:28:50]
No. In fact, do you know, Tucker, that I asked my priest, who I had
several, I had about six priests guiding me before this hearing, spiritually
advising me before the hearing, because I wanted to make sure. I need to make
sure that I know what I'm saying and that it's actually accurate with what the
church teaches. And I'll never forget, he's from Spain. God bless him. He's so,
so sweet. And I said, Father, do You know what Zionism is? He looked at me like
I was an alien, and he's like, what's Zionism? I couldn't believe it. I said,
you realize in America that these people like Paula White, Dan Patrick, Ted
Cruz, most of our politicians in government who have power, who are in the
White House praying over the president, they're Zionists. They believe that
1948 Israel is a biblical prophecy fulfillment. He looked at me like I was
crazy. He said, nobody's ever. I said, I know, and now they're forcing it on
me, a Catholic on this commission. Yeah, it's really scary. 

 

Tucker [00:29:56] Well,
it's, yeah, and especially since we just, you know, wound up in a war, thanks
to this. I mean, it is hard not to see this as all preparation for this war,
which is resetting the world. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:30:08]
And they had to get rid of the only dissenter of that, of Zionism. They
had to rid of her on this commission before the war. It was within weeks. 

 

Tucker [00:30:20] That
did occur to me watching this. Why is it so important to crush this woman?
Like, okay, she's confused you disagree with. It's a religious liberty
commission. You've got, are there Jews on it too? One rabbi. One rabbie, so
he's got different views. You would think from, he's Jewish, you're a
Christian. That's okay. Yeah. It's okay to disagree, but it's not okay to
question. The behavior of the secular nation state of Israel. So that tells you
it's not really about religious liberty, right? No, not at all. So, okay, the
upshot of that conversation was what? They call you and tell you you've got to
run your social media posts by this priestess. Yeah. And you say no, then what
happens? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:31:04]
So I kind of played along with it just to see where it would go. So I
didn't stop posting, but I would run things by her. Like that kid in Florida
who was being detained in Israel, I sent her an email and I said, hey, Paul, I
said there's a kid in Israel that's detained. I said- 

 

Tucker [00:31:19] U.S.
Citizen. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:31:20]
U.S. Citizen, I said, we need to do something about this. I said I know
you have connections with Bibi. Maybe you can call Bibi up and see if you can
get him released. This is what I am supposed to do on this commission. This is
a U. S. Citizen that is being detained, a child in Israel, and nobody's doing
anything about it. No response. Then I sent her another email saying, hey,
Paula, there's a bunch of teachers. The Christian schools in Israel are being
shut down. Because these Palestinian teachers are being told they can't come
and teach. So these Christian schools are going to be closed. Can you help? Can
you do something about it? No response. So this arrogant woman who had the
audacity to ask me to get things run by her in order to post online doesn't
even have the respect to respond. She does not care about religious freedom at
all. And that's when I really knew that I was up against a big, big giant. So I
just kept posting and I just keep posting more, more and more every day.
Because I wasn't going to allow them to do this to me. No, they mess with the
wrong person. 

 

Tucker [00:32:39] Apparently
they did. Oh, I love it so much, I can't stand it. I wish more men were like
this. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:32:45]
I know. 

 

Tucker [00:32:45] Sorry
to say that. It makes me so sad. Anyway, yeah, it's like 90% of the people I
know in my world who were like, oh, you told me to violate my principles. I'm
doubling down on my principles, they're like 90 percent women and I don't know
what and I respect and love them all, truly revere them. But like, half the
population is male or we're the men. I don t get it. I talk to my wife about
this all the time. Like, what is that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:33:10]
They're afraid. It's... Well, nobody wants to be called an anti-Semite.
I get it. Nobody wants to called a race. Nobody wants go through what you're
going through, what I'm going through. 

 

Tucker [00:33:19] No,
I agree. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:33:19]
You know, they put you in this box and they shut the door, and they say,
shut up, you anti-Semite. You're not allowed in society. We're gonna shame you,
we're gonna cancel you, we're going to destroy you. That's what they do. 

 

Tucker [00:33:32] Yeah,
and of course it raises the chances you're gonna get shot to death by a lot,
which is one of the reasons they do it, right? So we had this moment of
agreement after Charlie Kirk was killed, that calling people Nazis can get them
killed. And so I immediately called Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro, and I was like,
wow, we should not fight. They both agreed. And the next thing you know,
because they do understand it makes it more likely you'll be killed. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:34:00]
Oh yeah. 

 

Tucker [00:34:01] They're
totally pro-violence, obviously. And so yeah, the stakes are super high. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:34:06]
Very high. I have small children. I take this very seriously. 

 

Tucker [00:34:11] So
then what happened? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:34:13]
So then I just doubled down. I kept posting. I wasn't getting any
responses from Paula. I sent a follow-up with the head of the commission
saying, hey, are other commissioners being told they can't post on social
media, or am I the only one giving that guidance? And she sent me an email back
saying, well, you must have prudence when you post, which I agree with. None of
the other commissioners, Tucker, were told what I was told. They were all
posting freely. Dr. Phil was posting. Eric Metaxas, who has his own show, he's
posting. Eric Metaxis? He's on the commission. Actually? Yeah, actually. Crazy.
Crazy. Since, since my removal, he has attacked me like you cannot imagine.
Very disappointing. 

 

Tucker [00:35:06] A
sad, sad guy. Sad, very troubled guy. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:35:09]
So leading up to this hearing, imagine all that backstory. So people
only saw that hearing in February, but there was a whole backstory and I kept
my mouth shut. I wanted to come out and tell the world what they did to me. And
I actually was gonna do it on stage that day, but my priest advised me not to.
I don't know if I should have or shouldn't have, but I kind of wanted to call
Paula White and Dan Patrick out to their face. 

 

Tucker [00:35:37] So
this all leads up to the hearing last month. Yes, the anti-Semitism hearing.
And so did you have contact with anybody else on the commission that day before
the hearing? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:35:48]
No, so the way it works is before the hearing, once we request our
witnesses, we get a whole 40-page rundown of everything they're going to say,
who they are, what they're going to speak about, so we can prepare to ask them
questions and kind of go back and forth, take notes and all that. And so I
realized I hadn't gotten the paper yet. I hadn't gotten who was speaking. And I
had requested four Jewish Americans. Who are facing true anti-Semitism here in
America. And they were all for rejected. Why? Because they're not Zionists. You
had to be a certain kind of Jew in order to be accepted. They were 

 

Tucker [00:36:30] They
were rejected. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:36:31]
They were rejected 

 

Tucker [00:36:32] By
whom? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:36:34]
By the commission, whoever calls the shots, I have no idea. It's so
unorganized. I honestly don't even know how this commission works.
Unfortunately, it's embarrassing to say that, to admit it. But I don't know who
approves these. I recommended Norm Finkelstein who he's written books about. I
mean, he is so knowledgeable on this. 

 

Tucker [00:36:55] Son
of Holocaust survivors. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:36:57]
Who better? Who better to speak on this than Norm? 

 

Tucker [00:37:00] He
was rejected. Who else? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:37:02]
Mikko Palad, he's an Israeli citizen raised there in Israel and now he
runs a Palestinian organization, does tremendous work. And then this guy David
Spelvick in New York, he is out of New York. And then I requested a rabbi, a
Jewish rabbi who's been fighting against Zionism for over 40 years. 

 

Tucker [00:37:27] Or
what they call a Torah Jew, I assume. A believer in the Torah, not the. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:37:32]
He says he's an orthodox. That's how he, yeah. So yeah, all four. There
are a lot of them. 

 

Tucker [00:37:36] There
are a lot of those. I know a bunch of them. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:37:38]
Oh yeah, they're all anti-Zionists. So anyway, they were all rejected. I
requested two Palestinian Christian organizations to speak just to have a fair
and balanced hearing. I wanted it to be fair and balance. They were rejected
too. Yeah, unfortunately. So I'm on the plane heading to DC before the hearing.
I still haven't gotten the rundown of who am I going to be hearing from? So I
send an email, hey, Wondering where the rundown is. I need to prepare. I'm on
the plane. I need it prepare for this hearing tomorrow. OK, yeah, we'll send it
over soon. Never sent it. Never got it from them. I had to I had the email
Kelly Shackelford and say, hey, Kelly, did you receive any preparations for
this year? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they sent it a couple of weeks ago. So they
purposely did not send me the rundow. I believe I believe they wanted to leave
me out of it. So I wasn't prepared. But I was prepared. 

 

Tucker [00:38:33] So
you had no idea who was going to appear at the hearing. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:38:36]
No idea. No idea, and the only way I knew Norm wasn't accepted and Miko
and David and the rabbis, they told me we weren't accepted. And it broke my
heart because there is true antisemitism happening. 

 

Tucker [00:38:48] Yeah,
that's for sure. Wow, this is really dark. It is. So how did you feel flying to
Washington? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:38:56]
I was scared for my life, you know, most of the commissioners stay at
the Museum of the Bible because that's where the hearing is. I had requested
that I stay there due to my safety. They rejected that. I stayed at a random
hotel across the way. 

 

Tucker [00:39:08] They
wouldn't let you stay there? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:39:09]
No, I requested, I said, hey, I don't feel safe, you know, I'm traveling
alone. Um, no, no. I said for my safety, I'd like to stay at the museum. That
way I just go down the elevator and I'm there at the hearing. So I had a Muslim
woman who has become a dear friend, like a sister. She's on the advisory board
to this commission. She's one of the only Muslim representatives. So there's 30
advisory board members, and then there's the 12 commissioners. So I said, hey,
Samira, I said would you mind meeting me at my hotel and walking with me over?
Like, I don't really feel safe walking alone. Sure, yeah. So she met me in my
hotel lobby. And I got a text at 7.30 in the morning. The hearing was supposed
to start at eight. We were supposed to arrive at 7 45. And it was from Dan
Patrick. And he said, meet me in this room for a meeting with me and Paula. I
was like, oh, you guys want to play dirty. Last hour, you want to playing
dirty. Okay. So I didn't respond. I'm not going to engage in that. I'm here for
the Religious Liberty Commission. And I knew this hearing was very important.
So I did not respond. So as soon as I get to the Museum of the Bible, go in the
VIP entrance, back door, Samira's with me, Brittany Baldwin comes up. And she,
remember, she was one of the ones that the White House mentioned that they
spoke to about my resignation. So I'm already on to her. 

 

Tucker [00:40:31] And
she was a former Ted Cruz step. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:40:34]
Yes. And so she came up to me and goes, Oh, Carrie, Dan Patrick wants to
meet you in the room with Paula. And I said, I don't feel comfortable meeting
with him alone. I'm sorry, unless Samira is welcome. I'll come with her, but
I'm not coming alone. She got very nervous and was like, oh, okay, I'll let him
know. And I say, okay. Let him know So she made Samira go and I went to the
back with all the commissioners. And so I'm sitting back there. At that point,
I'm like at a 10, like I have probably have smoke coming out of my ears. 

 

Tucker [00:41:06] I'm
at a ten just hearing it. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:41:07]
Oh, Tucker, this has been going on far too long. Like these people are
relentless and they thought that they could bully me, a mom in California, but
they didn't know what they were up against because I was not going to back
down. So I walk in the back. Dan Patrick is in there with Ben Carson and I
believe Paula White was already in there. And I had to walk right past, go to
the back, start, you know, preparing because thank God Kelly sent me the list.
And I'm just to myself and Eric Metaxas comes up and he goes, what's wrong with
you? And I go, really? Do you wanna know what's with me? I said, were you told
that you can't post on social media while you serve on this commission or was
it just me? I know you're a Zionist, so you're probably safe, but I'm not a
Zionists. So I was told I can't pose about my position on Israel. I can post
criticism of Israel. And he looks at me like I was crazy. And he's like, what?
They told you you can't post. I said, yeah, they told me I can't pose. I said
that's what's going on, Eric. That's what going on. And now they're trying to
do an intervention meeting right before the hearing with Dan and Paula and Ben.
I said but I'm not going. And he goes, well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is crazy.
I said I know you're a Zionist and that's fine. You're entitled to your
beliefs. I'm entitled to mine. But you can force me to believe what you
believe. This is a religious liberty commission. We should all be diverse. We
shouldn't all be the same, right, Eric? Yeah, right. So then Brittany comes
back and she goes, okay, Dan said Samira can come. So I'm gonna bring Samira
up. I said, great, I'd like a witness there. So she was bringing Samira and I
looked at Eric and I go, hey, I go do you mind coming with me? I said you
remind me a lot of my dad. And my dad passed away a couple of years ago. I said
I would really appreciate it if you would come with me so I don't have to come
alone. And he goes, well, do I have to? And I go yeah, I like you too. Man up
and come with. So he came with me. So it's me, Eric, and Samira. We walk in,
Ben Carson, Dan Patrick, Paula White, and Brittany are in there. And right away
it was like, heated. And Dan looks at me and he goes, how do you think this
religious liberty commission has been going, Carrie? I said, it's been going
great. I've really enjoyed being on this commission. And he goes. I just want
to know what are you going to say today? And I go, what am I going to say
today? What are you going to stay today, Dan? Are we going to talk about a
foreign country? Because whatever you're going to say, I'm going to say, so if
you're going to talk about Israel, I am going to talk about Gaza. Okay. I'm
literally talking to these politicians like they're five-year-olds. Like
they're my kids. I'm like, you guys can't be this dumb. Like I know you think
I'm dumb, but I'm not. I'm smarter than I look, I guess. You guys thought I was
dumb. You thought I just was gonna be on this commission and play along to get
along. The beauty queen. 

 

Tucker [00:44:07] Yeah,
the beauty queen. We can bust her around. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:44:08]
Yeah, we can boss the dumb blonde around, throw her around, tell her
what to do, nobody else. Yeah, so it got very heated. So what did he say when
you said that? He goes, well, I mean, you posted yesterday on the airplane,
they're tracking every move I make and they're seeing everything I post, which
is good. I did that on purpose. Why do they care? You've got one commissioner
who's not on the program, like why is that a problem? They're obsessed with me.
I don't know. So he goes, and Brittany Baldwin is in the corner and she goes,
yeah, I can pull it up. Here it is. You posted that you are so proud to serve
on this Religious Liberty Commission and something about you're not going to be
bullied by the Zionist supremacists. And you posted a free Palestine hashtag. I
literally started laughing. I go, you guys are ridiculous. I said, this is a
hearing on anti-Semitism. And I said oh, by the way, did you accept any of my
witnesses that I recommended, Dan? Brittany, Ben, Paula? Did you accept them?
Why not? They're Jewish Americans that are facing anti-Semitism. Oh, you don't
want them because they're not Zionists? Because they don't believe what you
believe about Israel? They've been fighting against Zionism for 40 years? You
don't people like that? Oh, I got mad. But I kept my cool. They didn't know
what to say. And they go, well, you had reposted something saying that we weren't
accepting. I said, yeah, you weren't excepting any of my witnesses. You
accepted none of them. And thank God, Kelly Shackleford gave me the witness
list so I knew who was speaking today. I said, you guys didn't even send me the
list of the speakers. You guys did that on purpose, didn't you? I called them
all out by name. And then I look over at Eric and I go, Eric, by the way, while
we're here, I said were you told that you can't post on social media or was it
just me, Paula? Did you have to get your post run through Paula in order to
post and use your social media, your private social media page. Or did you only
tell me, Paula?" I said, the audacity that it takes. I said thank God I
know my rights. You don't control me. And I said and Paula, wait till the
public finds out about this. They're not gonna be happy with you. You tried to
censor me while serving on a religious liberty commission. You tried force me
to believe what you believe. You forced me to adopt your religion and I won't
do it. And that's why you're angry. And then Dan got really weird. And he's
like, well, you've been posting about Charlie Kirk and it was so weird. 

 

Tucker [00:46:46] Oh,
they didn't like it when you posted about Charlie. No, they said. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:46:48]
They said, you've been questioning, you know, who assassinated him. I
go, Oh, wow. God forbid I question anything. I have to be a robot, right, Dan? 

 

Tucker [00:46:58] No
one's been convicted by this. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:47:00]
Right. That's what I said. I said this is an ongoing investigation. I
have every right. 

 

Tucker [00:47:04] And
moreover, I don't think this kind of behavior puts people's concerns to rest. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:47:09]
It was very odd. It was veeery odd. 

 

Tucker [00:47:10] Ruthlessness,
cruelty, single-minded devotion to like some weird cult-y cause, like that
doesn't make me feel better. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:47:20]
Shut up and obey. 

 

Tucker [00:47:23] Oh,
but they didn't like that, huh? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:47:24]
No, because I don't obey them. They don't like that. 

 

Tucker [00:47:30] I'm
trying not to get, uh, okay. So, um, wow. So how is this resolved? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:47:35]
Yeah, so the meeting was supposed to start at, I think it was supposed
to start, at 8.30 or 9. It ended up being late, like the hearing started late
because it was this heated and Ben Carson sitting there half asleep. I'm like,
come on, Ben, like, what are you, what do you doing? Stand up and speak up for
me. You know, I'm being literally attacked by all these people. Thank God,
Samira was with me and she's so soft spoken and sweet. And she stood up and she
was like, you know, there are, there's suffering going on in Gaza. You guys
realize that, right? I'm one of the only Muslims on this commission. Like, can
you not just accept that? Like, and then Eric was super rude to her. He's like,
who are you and why are you here? It was so disrespectful, felt so bad for her.

 

Tucker [00:48:13] So
is Eric Metaxas' position that there's no suffering in Gaza or that it's
immoral to talk about it? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:48:19]
Well, it's of course justified because we're trained that no Muslim is
worth defending, right? How is that a Christian perspective? Yeah, it is not. It's
not a Christian perspective. And I feel I was the only one living out my
Christian faith saying, wait a second, there's suffering in Gaza. There's a
genocide happening. There's Holocaust happening. Why am I not allowed to post
about it? Oh, because it goes against the president and your job is to protect
the president. And Dan did say that again in the intervention hearing, I
remember. He said, you know, you're just saying things that go against the
president. And to serve on this commission is a privilege, it's a privilege.
And you're abusing that privilege, ultimately is what he said. 

 

Tucker [00:49:05] As
I said, I know everybody, almost everybody in the room, and I like everybody
just as a default. So it's so distressing to hear this. It's so distracting to
hear. Shocking to me. Changes how I view a lot of these people. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:49:21]
Many of them are owned, unfortunately. 

 

Tucker [00:49:23] That's
obvious. And there's also clearly some, there's a supernatural quality to this.
I mean, you can't pay most people enough to defend the murder of children. So I
do think there's a way in which they're under a spell. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:49:36]
I know. It's so- 

 

Tucker [00:49:38] You
know, and I will say of Eric Metaxas, who wrote a very long book celebrating
Martin Luther, not a Zionist. Martin Luther the author of On the Jews and Their
Lies. And so it's a little weird. I don't know, speaking of anti-Semitism.
Yeah. I mean, what? Yeah. But anyway, whatever, I don't want to get in the
weeds. Okay, so the point of this was to get you within boundaries before the
hearing. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:50:05]
Mm-hmm 

 

Tucker [00:50:06] Opened
but that didn't work. No So then what happened in the hearing? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:50:11]
So imagine, I'm now like, I mean, the anger that I had, I can't even
describe. Because this has been building for months now. And so it was, it was
at an all time high. And so when we left the meeting, went on stage, I am like,
shaking. I'm like, Shaking, I could cry. I could scream. Like, I I'm just like,
And I just prayed and I'm like, okay, Lord, I need to just stay calm. I have to
get through this hearing. This is a five-hour hearing and I got to get though
it. And I need I need be poised. I need it be respectful. I can't let my anger
get to me. And I have remain a Christian during this hearing, I cannot give
them a reason to say you're not a Christian. And so it just started. 

 

Tucker [00:50:56] Thank
you, thank you for doing that. Thank you, again, as I said at the outset,
people get, this has happened to me like a thousand times, you just get so mad
that you say something cruel, you overstate what you believe, you get personal,
you're not a good representative of the faith at all. You become a terrible
representative because you get angry and it's been a constant struggle for me
my whole life and I usually fail. That's why again, I was just amazed by your
testimony because it was so controlled. You kept control. Which is essential,
man, you succeeded. So then, okay, what happened? You go into the room and what
happened. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:51:37]
Yeah, so I go into the room and then, you know, they bring out the
witnesses, the first witnesses, and, you, know, it goes one after the other
after the other and then it opens up to the commissioners to ask questions. And
so right away I'm thinking, okay, so this guy said, you know, I was, I faced,
you know, anti-Semitism on a college campus. Okay, I'm genuinely sorry that you
experienced that. And I voiced that. I said, can we say that what happened to
you is wrong, but then also say that the students who are peacefully protesting
on these college campuses have every right to do that because they're
protesting the killing of over 70,000 innocent civilians in Gaza. Can we not
say the two things are wrong? Can we say, yes, what you experienced as a Jewish
person not being able to access your classroom or whatever his situation was, I
forget what it was, something like that. He ended up suing, I think, and
winning. So, you know, good for him. So whatever he experienced was true
anti-Semitism, I guess. But then also, can you say that what's going on in Gaza
is wrong? And he was like, no, no no no. No, there's no genocide in Gaza. The
genocide was on October 7th. And I'm thinking, these people are so lost. How
can you not say that killing 70,000 innocent civilians is wrong. Just say it's
wrong. 

 

Tucker [00:53:04] Because
you don't believe in universal principles. You don't know believe that every
person was created by God and has inherent. Some people are valuable and others
are not. I mean, that's where that comes from is that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:53:18]
Yeah, they're superior. 

 

Tucker [00:53:20] Yes,
I just reject that as a Christian, period, period. I don't think a Christian
life is more valuable than a Jewish life or a Muslim life or Hindu life. I just
don't that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:53:31]
So it started there. 

 

Tucker [00:53:31] So
you said that and he and this witness, do you remember who? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:53:35]
Yeah, Shabos Kestenbaum. He was one of them. I don't remember the other
names, but he was the one that said, oh, no, there's no genocide at Gaza. The
genocide was on October 7th. That's when I knew this hearing was going to get
intense, because this hearing was on anti-Semitism. And then I realized, well,
we have to define the terms. What is anti-semitism? I quoted IHRA definition. I
said, you know, if by saying the Jews killed Jesus, that is, according to IHra,
definition of anti-Semitism. So one of the pastors who was testifying, I said
does it concern you? Does it concern as a pastor that certain parts of the
Bible are gonna be considered hate speech? 

 

Tucker [00:54:19] The
Christian parts. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:54:21]
And he goes, well, the Jews did kill Jesus. And I said, do you realize
you're making an anti-Semitic statement right now, Mr. Pastor? This is the
cognitive dissonance that these people have. They don't even know what the... I
mean, an IHRA is a pretty broad definition across most states. So it's pretty
serious. And so I was starting to think, okay, so is equating criticism of
Israel being a Jew hater? So I said, is anti-Zionism anti-Semitism? Because I'm
not a Zionist. That has nothing to do with someone's right to exist as a human
being. Of course, everybody has a right to exists by God. Anti-Zionism is
anti-Semite. And I pressed him and I said, yes or no? Yes or no, on the record.
And he said, Yes. And I was shocked. I was so disappointed that all the
commissioners with big titles, big degrees, they didn't chime in and say, wait
a second, anti-political ideology doesn't make you a Jew hater. That's what I'm
disappointed in. 

 

Tucker [00:55:36] Well,
the definition is inherently an attack on Christianity. Yeah. That, I mean, by
definition, if you write a definition that would ban the New Testament, then
it's an anti-Christian document, but I guess it's been adopted by various
states. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:55:58]
That's the scary part. That's scary. In this state right now, in
Florida, right now. That's what's scary! I never thought being in California, I
was more free than people that live in Florida. But this is where it's going.
It's very dangerous. And I was the only Christian that was willing. The
youngest person in that room. I'm just a dumb, blonde, pageant girl. Who am I?
What do I know? No, it's common sense. Wait a second. You're saying? That if I
don't believe that 1948 Israel, and I said this, people can verify, I don't
believe as a Catholic that 1948, the modern state of Israel, has any biblical
fulfillment prophecy at all, meaning at all. I don't believe that, and I have
every right not to believe that. I don's believe that! Why are you forcing me
to believe? Shut up, you anti-Semite! That's what I got back. You're an you're
a hateful bigot If you don't believe that, I was disobedient to them. And
that's all I was doing was asking questions. And the logical conclusion of what
they were saying is, yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. And I quoted the rabbi
who didn't get to come that was denied. I quoted him. And he's been speaking
out about Zionism for 40 years. He said, so are you calling me a Jewish rabbi
and anti-semite now? Is that where we're going with this? So, a Jewish rabbi is
an anti-Semite now, according to their definition. This is at a religious
liberty commission hearing from the president. And nobody chimed in and said,
wait a second, I have a problem with that. That's dangerous. Let's not, let's
not say that. So a Jewish rabbi is being called an anti-Semite. And then I
said, I'm a Catholic. I don't believe 1948 political state of Israel has any
biblical prophecy fulfillment meaning at all. So does that make me an anti
Semite or all Catholics anti Semites according to you? And essentially it was
yes. 

 

Tucker [00:57:57] The
tape is almost unbelievable. I'm so glad that you forced this and I'm still
glad that you revealed these people for who they really are. This isn't a minor
doctrinal point. This is like the very center of the question of religious
liberty. If you're not allowed to believe that then you don't have religious
liberty then the first amendment isn't real. And It also, this is an attack on
traditional Christianity, so it has to be defended by Christian leaders. I
think the right to believe what you say you believe, which is not hateful, of
course, in the slightest. No. It is inconvenient if you wanna use American
troops to fight Israel's wars. What kind of response did you get from the other
commissioners? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:58:40]
After. 

 

Tucker [00:58:41] During.

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:58:42]
A lot of them just stayed silent. They were too afraid, I think. 

 

Tucker [00:58:46] Did
a single one of the other 11 rise to defend your right to say what you were
saying? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:58:51]
Oh, of course not. No, they have all corporations to protect and
businesses protect and, you know, big donors to please, so why would they? I
was literally the only free person on that stage, the mom in Cali. How did it
end? It ended with, there was a guy in the audience that kept heckling and I
eventually looked over at Dan and I said, he needs to be removed. Like this
is... 

 

Tucker [00:59:16] Heckling
you. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [00:59:17]
Yeah, he kept heckling me, that's, you know, yelling things at me,
booing me. There was a lot of, I noticed there was a lot of Jewish rabbis in
the audience. I don't know, there wasn't a lot of people in the, normally it's
filled because anybody can go. Right. But there was a lot booze. Every time I
would say I'm a Catholic, boo. And it was very hostile. And it was, I felt like
it was, it was my voice wasn't welcome there, obviously. And then Dan had the
audacity to interrupt me. When I said, so are you claiming that all Catholics
that are not Zionists are anti-Semites? Is that what you're saying? And he's
like, well, I'm going to interrupt. I'm gonna interrupt right now, Keri. Why?
Why? I said, this discussion is very important. This is very important. 

 

Tucker [01:00:06] And
what did he say? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:00:08]
He let us continue, and we were just going back and forth, back and
fourth with these witnesses. And I was very respectful, very respectful. I
didn't raise my voice. I didn't get angry. I laughed a few times, told Sabos
Kestenbaum that we should get coffee. We need to be having these discussions.
We need more speech, not less. They didn't want my voice, so after the hearing
was over, my priest was there. He came and watched and he was very proud of me.
Um, there was another Orthodox priest there and he said, I'm so proud of you.
Can't believe you did this. I said it had to be done. It had to done. 

 

Tucker [01:00:50] What
were the other commissioners like after the hearing? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:00:53]
I didn't speak to one of them, and I haven't spoken to any of them
since. 

 

Tucker [01:01:00] So
this immediately goes up on the internet, what's the next communication you
have from the White House or the commission? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:01:08]
So I got a text the next day, and it was from Dan Patrick. He tried
calling me, but I didn't answer. I thought I would just get it in writing. And
he said, I tried calling you, you know, your voicemail box is full. I'm letting
you know effective immediately that you have been removed from the Religious
Liberty Commission. 

 

Tucker [01:01:29] Did
he explain why? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:01:39]
I honestly, I couldn't believe it. I was like, back in 2009, I stood up
for my faith and now I'm doing the same thing. This is what got me on this
commission. Why would I be removed? What is going on? This is the United States
of America. Haven't we made progress? No. Don't we have religious freedom in
this country? You can't express it honestly and respectfully and civilly. Like,
what is going? I literally just cried when I got it. I'm like, this is so sad
for my children, for my grandchildren. 

 

Tucker [01:02:13] You
can see where it's going too. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:02:16]
And so he said at the very end of the text, it was a short text, this is
my decision. The audacity, the audacity that he has to claim he has authority
to make this firing. This is my decisions. No, Dan, you're an equal of mine.
You have no authority. 

 

Tucker [01:02:33] I
don't think Dan's making any of his own decisions in general. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:02:37]
None of those people are. No. 

 

Tucker [01:02:39] So
it's my decision. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:02:40]
And I will say Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan were not there that day.

 

Tucker [01:02:43] They
were not at the hearing. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:02:44]
They were not at the hearing that day. I would have loved for them to be
there. That would have been great. 

 

Tucker [01:02:49] So
you, as I recall, because I was watching all this from afar, said, Nope, can't
remove me. Yeah. Cause you didn't appoint me. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:02:59]
I did a little investigating online and I researched, you know, how this
commission was established and the executive order and I realized, wait a
second, the only person that has the authority to remove me is the president
himself. 

 

Tucker [01:03:13] Did
you talk to Trump at any point? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:03:15]
No, I tried to get a phone call with him, I try to contact some of his
family members that I'm close with. I mean, I've been a friend of his for
almost 20 years, I have been to both inaugurations. I mean used to have his
personal cell phone, I'd call him. I mean we're buddies, he was like a second
father to me. Nobody would respond back. So Dan sent that text. I sent a text
back and I said, you have no authority to remove me, Dan. And then that was it.

 

Tucker [01:03:50] I
notice that a number of members of the commission began attacking you as an
anti-Semite. Oh, who did that and what did they say? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:04:02]
Eric Metaxas did that. I think he called me. I don't remember the names
that he called me, horrible names, but. He called you names. Oh yeah, yeah.
Which was so sad to me, because I'm like, you were with me in that hearing, you
heard that I had to vet everything through this, you know what they're doing to
me is wrong. And you don't have the courage to stand up for my religious
freedom. Just do your job, Eric. 

 

Tucker [01:04:29] And
then to call you a bigot, an anti-Semite. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:04:32]
Oh yeah, yeah that's what they do though, cause once they say that to
you 

 

Tucker [01:04:37] No,
but everyone knows Eric Metaxas. I mean, that's like behavior. And I know that
Eric has a lot of personal problems and I assume that's what this is about, but
it's still. Which is one of the most shocking things I've ever seen. And he
never called you and said, hey, Carrie, I'm gonna call you an anti-Semitic.
Let's talk about the views that you have that I believe are anti-semitic, let's
talk this through. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:05:00]
No. 

 

Tucker [01:05:01] And
Dan Patrick didn't do that either. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:05:05]
They didn't want to have a dialog. 

 

Tucker [01:05:06] That
is the most disgraceful behavior I can imagine. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:05:09]
It really is, it really is. Because out of all the people that Trump could
have appointed for this position, he appointed me. And I, at first I felt
unqualified, but now I feel I'm one of the most qualified because I am
protecting religious freedom. Even faiths that I don't hold firm to. I'm
protecting the Jewish rabbi. I'm protection the Muslim woman on the commission,
her religious freedom, and my own, of course. 

 

Tucker [01:05:38] And
the Jewish Zionists, by the way. Yeah. And everybody's. You have every right
not to. Because this is a universal principle, it applies to every human being.
It's not, and the reintroduction of identity politics by this administration is
the single saddest thing. I think everyone voted against it. I think every
person who voted for Trump was like, well, not every person, but most people
are like, identity politics blows up the country. It destroys any cohesion. You
start thinking about everything in terms of my group. And things fall apart and
the left has pushed that for 50 years and now all of a sudden, you've got Paula
White and Dan Patrick and Eric Metaxas of all people pushing identity politics
in a way that'll totally wreck the country. Come on now. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:06:23]
I know. 

 

Tucker [01:06:26] Degrades
the Christian message into something unrecognizable and evil. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:06:30]
That's what it is. 

 

Tucker [01:06:32] So
did any member of the commission reach out to you, any of the other 11 to say,
wow, you know, you're not a Zionist, therefore you're an anti-Semite, this is
horrible, I'm sorry, we're on your side. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:06:43]
Not one. 

 

Tucker [01:06:44] Are
you serious? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:06:45]
Not one, no. In fact, I reached out to a few of them who are friends of
mine, who I felt I could trust. Kelly Shackleford, I reach out to. Cardinal
Dolan, Bishop Barron. I reached to Bishop Cordiglione in San Francisco, who's
on the advisory board. And I said, hey, I feel like I'm a sheep surrounded by
wolves and I need a shepherd. Can you help? And a lot of them, I think, Tucker,
if I'm being honest, are too scared. 

 

Tucker [01:07:21] Did
any, I know two of the three. I know Barron, whom I respect, who's very smart.
And I know Dolan, who is just a politician, but very charming, I'll say. Dolan
is very charming. Who doesn't like Dolan? Everyone likes Dolan. But so I know
of the two of three, and they didn't speak up in your defense or in the defense
of religious liberty? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:07:42]
No, Bishop Barron, we were texting a little bit yesterday, and I said,
I'm going on Tucker. I know you're friends with Tucker. I said I would love to
know, like, do you support the commission removing me from my religious
freedom? Or like, where do you stand? You know, and he wrote me back and he was
very nice. And, you know, he agreed with my stance that we as Catholics don't
have to believe in some, you know, prophecy fulfillment being fulfilled with
1948 Israel. Like, that's... Literally what I said. So I think he, I know he
agrees with me. I mean, it's, most Catholics agree with me, but too. 

 

Tucker [01:08:20] To
include a political statement in the catechism, which is basically what they're
trying to do. I have to believe in the modern secular state of Israel or I
can't be a Christian. Like that's a foundational thing. People have been
martyred over less than that. Like, no, this is my faith. I'm not gonna betray
it. And all of a sudden, you're being told that to be a christian, you have to
be as Zionist. You have to on board with a political program. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:08:43]
Oh yeah, and I must support a genocide. That's a requirement too. And I
cannot speak out about it if I see it or hear about it. 

 

Tucker [01:08:51] I
just got this from our producer, so I just want to interrupt your amazing
story, which I find so upsetting. My heart is pounding. This is a note I just
get. As we speak, meaning right now as we're doing this taping, there's an
anti-Semitism symposium happening in DC. Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, and the rest of
the usuals are speaking. Dan Patrick was just on stage attacking Carrie Yu. He
said she was guilty of two things on the day of the religious liberties
hearing. First, He said, any talk of Gaza is a political matter and has nothing
to do with religion. He says she was off base mentioning the war. Two, he said
it was unacceptable that she went against Seth Dillon when she denied his claim
that Candice is antisemitic. I wanna go through these in just a second. Last
line, Dan Patrick bragged that he fired Kerry and he got a round of applause.
Let me just say this is like. Description of the end stage of something. This
is the end of Christian Zionism, this kind of behavior. We'll look back on this.
Like every one of these moral panics reaches its full fruition at a certain
point where it's peak crazy, I guess that's the phrase. And it's like they're
arresting people for complimenting a woman's dress. Like that was the kind of
peak crazy of too. Black Lives Matter, like kissing black people's feet or
something. It's like too nuts, right? That's what this is for Christian
Zionism. This is so bonkers that I think it's over. That's just my guess. Okay.
So let me just, any talk of Gaza is a political matter. Let me throw that to
you. What's your response to that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:10:36]
Any talk of Gaza as a political matter? So why was this hearing, I
actually tallied how many times they talked about Israel, October 7th, I had to
stop counting. So we were talking about a foreign country and I look over at
Dan and I'm like, we're talking about foreign country. So what is this hearing
about? Like, what is the purpose of this hearing? I thought it was a hearing on
true anti-Semitism in America. But it was hijacked by Dan Patrick and Paula
White and whoever denied my four Jewish Americans that weren't welcome to speak
because they're not Zionists. It was hijack by those people. So what we're
getting at is if you criticize Israel, you're done for. They want to destroy
you. And if you dare to speak out about Gaza, oh yeah, they want to kill you.
They want kill you got that. Yeah. I've had- I've ha- Some things. 

 

Tucker [01:11:35] As
Dan Patrick rushed to your defense, as Eric Metaxas rushed to his defense. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:11:37]
Oh, no. No, no, no no. He's taking pride in his removal of Carrie. 

 

Tucker [01:11:44] So
they're conflating. I mean, I would be delighted to remove politics entirely
from religion. I believe strongly in separation of church and state because I
don't want my faith to be corrupted by political leaders. I don't want my
religion to be political. Jesus didn't spend any time talking about politics.
They wanted him to come and liberate Jerusalem as a political leader. He
refused and rode in on a donkey and then allowed himself to be tortured to
death. So like, I'm with him. Let's take the politics out. But they're the ones
who conflate Christian faith with a political agenda of Bibi Netanyahu. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:12:19]
Yeah, who Bibi is basically an atheist, I think, right? I mean, I don't
think he's a religious person at all. 

 

Tucker [01:12:26] Well,
he doesn't keep to mosaic law. We know that. Yeah. There may be, you know, who
knows? Like I never. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:12:31]
Which I thought your interview with Mike Huckabee was amazing, by the
way. It was very sad though. Very sad. 

 

Tucker [01:12:40] Yeah,
I think he felt that way too. He's been attacking me ever since. Okay, so then
to the second point, Dan Patrick said it was unacceptable that you went against
Seth Dillon when she denied his claim that Candice is anti-Semitic. Who is Seth
Dillion? What is this exchange? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:12:56]
Why are they obsessed? Actually, your name was mentioned at the hearing.
I don't know if you know that. 

 

Tucker [01:13:00] I
didn't know- 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:13:02]
Seth Dillon is the Babylon B guy, so he was speaking on behalf of
anti-Semitism. He's a Christian, but I guess, I don't even know what
Christianity means anymore. If Christianity is defending a genocide in Gaza,
that's scary. Yep, it's not my religion. And so these people, they call
themselves Christians. I don't believe they are. But Seth Dillon was 

 

Tucker [01:13:29] You
can't defend the murder of innocents, period. I don't care who they are. I
don't care what country. I don't care if they're Palestinians or Jews. Me too.
I don's think any faithful Christian would defend shooting up a rave in
Southern Israel. That's disgusting. As a Christian, October 7th, parts of it
were disgusting. Gaza is disgusting. I mean, it's a principle that doesn't
change over time. You can' kill innocents. And if you think you can kill
innocent, we're worshiping different gods. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:13:59]
That's exactly right, we are. I don't know what Christianity they're a
part of. I honestly don't. 

 

Tucker [01:14:06] You're
getting me so worked up. I was just saying. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:14:08]
Dear husband, I've done so many interviews! 

 

Tucker [01:14:10] I've
had a lot of interviews in my life, but this one is, because I feel like this
is foundational. It is, it is. It's a grave injustice. So Seth Dillon of the
Babylon Bee, just for, I of course know Seth Dillion, but I just want to make
sure people know who we're talking about. He runs a comedy site or something,
but he has become, he's one of the people who tried to bully Charlie Kirk into
kicking me off stage. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:14:34]
Mm-hmm. 

 

Tucker [01:14:34] Um,
he's a political enforcer, uh, and you had an exchange with him. Yeah, I did. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:14:41]
Yeah, I asked him to his face. I said, you know, Charlie was being
called, since we're having a hearing on anti-Semitism, Charlie Kirk was being
an anti-semite. I know. And I asked them to his phase, Seth Dillon. I said
would you condemn that he was being called an anti semit? I mean, Charlie
wasn't an anti semite. 

 

Tucker [01:14:57] He
was not. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:14:59]
And he got a little unconfirmed 

 

Tucker [01:14:59] And
neither am I, and neither are you, these are slanders. And Charlie was called
an anti-Semite a lot. And I talked to him about it a lot, I know a lot about
this topic, I never talk about it, but I know about it because I was at the
center of it, because the debate was, should he cancel me in my speech this
December? And he wouldn't. And one of his last texts we've ever seen was about
this exact question. And Seth Dillon was one of the thugs. Trying to force
Charlie 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:15:33]
You know that for a fact? Of course. Oh my gosh. 

 

Tucker [01:15:37] And
so we're trying to force Charlie to cancel me and other things that it's not
about, but I just happened to be the guy that they were very, very focused on.
But so Seth Dillon is asked by you, would you condemn the attacks on Charlie
Kirk as an anti-Semite? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:15:53]
Yeah, and he said, yeah, Charlie wasn't in an anti-Semite. I said, I
agree. Thank you for saying that publicly. And then I asked him about the
Hamptons. I said we'll just go there. I mean, we're already going there, so
let's just go. So what happened at the Hampton's? 

 

Tucker [01:16:09] And
that was a meeting that Charlie had with, among many others, Seth Dillon. I
think Bill Ackman was there. I think he paid for it. I could be wrong here. I'm
no expert, but I remember very well because Charlie came right to my house
after that. So we talked about it. Wow. And, uh, so what did he say? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:16:30]
He said that Charlie was making statements saying that you can't, I'm
paraphrasing, but that you know, you can criticize Israel. You will be
destroyed if you do. 

 

Tucker [01:16:48] Have
any of these people ever read the prophets in what we call the Old Testament,
the Jewish prophets? Talk about tough on Israel, holy smokes. I read some of
that stuff and I'm like, give Israel a break, Isaiah, Jeremiah, pull back a
little bit, you're pretty tough on Israel, do they ever notice that? I mean,
what is going on? Yeah. Sorry, excuse me. Okay, so. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:17:13]
And then he mentioned, and then he called, that's what it was. So he
called Candice an anti-Semite. They're obsessed, Tucker. They're obsess with
the label. You're an anti Semite. As soon as they attach that to you, you're
done. They, they shove you in the box. 

 

Tucker [01:17:29] So
when Moses goes up a second time to Mount Sinai and says to God, please kill
me, these people are too annoying, I can't deal with it. Is that anti-Semitism?

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:17:39]
Like what are you even talking about? Yeah, yeah. They're obsessed with
it. And so they brought up, I think either I brought up you, oh yeah, I'm not
sure who brought up your, but I remember saying you're obsessed with calling
Candice and Tucker antisemites. And it really has to stop. It really has stop
Seth. 

 

Tucker [01:18:00] What
did he say? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:18:02]
He got very frustrated, he got very uncomfortable. He was squirmish, he
was very, very frustrated. He's not a man at peace. Very uncomfortable, yeah.
And then after that was over, we actually went backstage and I had probably
like a 10 minute, while everybody else was on stage still, I went to the
bathroom and then I talked to him. And we had a pretty good exchange. I said,
are you Jewish? And he goes, no, I'm a Christian. I said oh my gosh, I thought
you were Jewish. He goes, No, I said okay. And I said, well, thank you for that
dialog out there. I think it's very important. You know, I said Charlie was
being called an anti-Semite, and I wanted to know about the Hamptons meeting. I
was told that, you know, they were bullying him, and- They certainly were
bullying. Yeah, and I said thank you for clarifying that, but since then, he
keeps saying that he wasn't one of the ones that was, you now, bullying Charlie
or calling him an anti Semite, or I asked him, I said Seth, who was morally
blackmailing Charlie? Who was it? Just say the name, or the names of the people
that were doing that. Because Charlie was very upset on Megyn Kelly. He said,
they're morally blackmailing me. They're calling me an anti-Semite, attacking
my character. Who are these people? I think we have a right to know. Who are
this thugs? 

 

Tucker [01:19:16] I
talked to him about it many times and he was very upset about it and I've
really tried not to use the memory of, you know, a dead friend to make a
political point. So a lot of other people have not restrained themselves and
they're constantly talking about my best friend Charlie and he thought this, he
thought that. But I know a lot about this topic, of course, because I was at
the center of it because it was my speech that they were mad about. So he was
protecting your speech. He certainly was a great risk to himself and great
risk. He lost millions of dollars, as he said. Because he refused to cancel me.
So of course I know all that and I haven't gone on and on about it because I
don't like calling attention to myself. And I think there's something ugly
about talking about someone who can't speak up for himself once he's passed. I
just don't it because in my culture, that's not acceptable, but it's just a
lie. It's they're lying. And I know that for a fact because he sat in my living
room and told me about it. So like, stop lying. I can't deal with it. And he
was making me too mad. So now, Dan Patrick is saying that because you wouldn't
denounce Candice as an anti-Semite, you went too far. So that's now in the
Niacin Creed. No, is it? What did the Council of Nicaea add this part kind of
retroactively where you have to denounce a podcaster or you can't be a
Christian or serve on a religious liberty commission? Like what is going on? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:20:36]
This is where we're at, and you know this well. They want to call you an
anti-semite. And then once they put that on you and shove you in that box. 

 

Tucker [01:20:45] Oh,
I know. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:20:46]
They want everybody else to come to the town square and they want to
watch you get publicly lynched and then they want everybody around to denounce
you. 

 

Tucker [01:20:58] And
if they don't. Repertory to you being arrested because if it's against the law
to have certain views and they claim that you have those views, you're in
violation of the law. Yeah. So, I mean, let's be real. This is like in Europe
and in Canada and Australia and New Zealand, lots of people go to jail for
having views that Seth Dillon doesn't like. Lots of people to go to a jail, a
lot. So it's not like this hasn't happened. It's the law in Europe. It's the
law in Australia. It's a law in New Zealand. It's law in Canada. We're in
America. Yeah, well. This is insane. I'm just saying lots of people go to
prison over this. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:21:36]
But they're obsessed with getting everyone else you've experienced as
denounced Tucker. Distance yourself. Call him an anti-Semite. Agree with us or
else. 

 

Tucker [01:21:44] I'm
so grateful to be old because I just don't care, but I do care about the
country a lot and I see where this is going. So they want you to denounce
Candice Owens. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:21:55]
Yeah, just like they want Megyn Kelly to denounce Candice Owens. 

 

Tucker [01:21:58] Oh,
I know. But they don't own me. Megan Kelly, who's like the most moderate person
who's ever lived. Megan Kelly who really likes Israel and all her friends are
Jewish. And like, Megan Kelly is, there's like no world in which Megan Kelly
isn't anti-Semite. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:22:14]
I don't even entertain the idea. I don't even say, I'm not an
anti-Semite. I'm so sick of that. I've been through this before with the whole
gay marriage thing. You're a bigot, you're a homophobe. Call me whatever you
want. I'm just a Christian, okay? And if being a Christian now is an anti
Semite, that's what I have a problem with. Well, that's the whole point. That's
the point. 

 

Tucker [01:22:34] That's
the whole point, being a sincere Christian, a New Testament-believing Christian
makes you an anti-Semite, therefore we can't have Christianity because that's
the real enemy, of course. So, um, okay, you come out and you say... After Dan
Patrick fires you, who fires you? Hey, Dan Patrick, you can't fire me because
you didn't appoint me. This is a presidential appointment and the president
hasn't weighed in. So where are we now on that question? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:23:05]
Good question. So, I hadn't been on X in years, so I got on X after this
all happened. 

 

Tucker [01:23:13] Oof

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:23:14]
Did that improve your life a lot, Carrie? That's been interesting. So
I've been posting, obviously, how sad I have to defend myself against this
insanity. So the other day, it was recently, it about a week ago, I went on and
I was looking for Mary, the designated federal officer from the, I wanted to
look at an old email that I had sent her. So I typed in my mail, Mary, well,
all of a sudden a Mary Sproul popped up, An email from Mary Sproul. Well, that
name sounds familiar. That's the woman back in August who tried to get me to
resign. I go, what is she emailing me about? She sent it on February 12th. The
hearing was on the 9th. So just a few days after, I think I sent the Dan
Patrick, you don't have the authority to remove me on the 11th. So she sent it
the next day, but I hadn't gotten it. It must have gone to like spam or some
junk mail. So I never got it. I would have never seen it had I not looked for
Mary, the designated federal officer Mary, Mary Margaret. So it comes up and it
says, on behalf of the President of the United States, I'm emailing you to let
you know that you have been removed from the Religious Liberty Commission
effective immediately. Thank you for your service, Mary Sproul. 

 

Tucker [01:24:37] It's
really dark. Yeah. Have you talked to Trump? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:24:41]
I reached out to. 

 

Tucker [01:24:42] And
was there any explanation? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:24:44]
No explanation. So I wrote her back and I said, Oh, Mary Sproul, you're
the same Mary that tried to get me to step down, resign in August. I left out a
very important part, Tucker. This is good. At the first hearing, the president
was there. Trump was there at the first year. Remember, Mary called me to get
resigned and then I didn't. Well, I saw the president and we got to have spent
some time with him before the hearing. So we were shaking his hand. And he
looks at me in the eyes and he goes, hey Carrie, he goes I want you to know
something. He goes, I took care of it. And he goes you know what I'm talking
about, right? 

 

Tucker [01:25:23] He
said that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:25:23]
He said that. And I said, yes, Mr. President, I know what you're talking
about. Thank you so much. And he goes, I, you know, I knew the real you. I know
the real. And basically, he told him to leave me alone. I thought that was
incredible. I mean, he was doing the right thing. How can you kick a religious
person off a religious commission? It's ridiculous. This was in August? This
was an August. So he had my back. So I thought, oh, I'm good. I'm good. He
doesn't support them trying to kick me off. So when I got this email a week ago
from Mary Sproul, I said, you tried to remove me in August, and the president
vetoed your attempt to remove me, so I don't really take you serious. But maybe
she is a legitimate spokesperson for the president. But I would think that the
president would actually send a letter removing me if this was actually his
decision. And I was told from someone very high up in the White House that they
spoke to him on the phone. And he was wrestling with this. He's like, what do I
do? Dan's saying this, and I really like Carrie, and so I don't know. I
honestly don't now. 

 

Tucker [01:26:33] Have
you heard from the Commission since then? No. Have there been more hearings? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:26:38]
The hearing is coming up next Monday. 

 

Tucker [01:26:42] And
you've not been invited. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:26:45]
And it makes me sad because that's the hearing on religious freedom and
health care, all the mothers that don't want to vaccinate their kids. 

 

Tucker [01:26:52] Has
any, to this day, so we're in the second week of March as we're taping this,
has any member of the commission spoken up in your defense? What about Bishop
Baron and Cardinal Dolan? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:27:09]
I tried to get them to make a public statement about it, but I don't
think they want to be involved. Why? I don't think they wanna be called an
anti-semite. Because they're speaking out for someone who was called an
antisemite. That's where we're at. 

 

Tucker [01:27:23] But
the principle at stake here, and I like, I respect Barron for sure. I do too.
He's very smart, like actually very smart. But the principal at stake is a
doctrinal principle, it would seem to me. And so your core position is that
being a Zionist, signing on to the Zionist project is not a prerequisite for
being a Christian. It's not part of the Nicene Creed, actually. And you were
fired. For saying this, that's your real crime. And I would think that any
theologian or Christian leader, really any Christian would wanna just pipe up
and say, maybe I love Bibi, maybe I'd love what he's done in Gaza. But like as
a point of fact, you don't need to sign on to a political program in order to
be a Christian. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:28:15]
Yeah, and to serve on a religious liberty commission, that's like basic.

 

Tucker [01:28:19] But
no one will say that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:28:21]
No, and Bishop Cordiglione, I love him, and I respect all of them,
Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Barron, but no, they don't want to make a public
statement about this. 

 

Tucker [01:28:35] That's
really revealing and sad to see that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:28:40]
It is sad, but you know, I can handle it, I guess. I'm, you know a 38
year old mom. 

 

Tucker [01:28:46] But
you can't allow non-Christians to determine what Christian doctrine is. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:28:52]
Right, exactly. 

 

Tucker [01:28:52] Which
is what happened during Vatican II, in point of fact. I say that as a
non-Catholic, I shouldn't even get involved, but that's literally what
happened. Non-Christians like, oh, you're not allowed to believe that. So they
changed Christian doctrine. And I just think that is- Well, it's dangerous.
It's very dangerous. Well, yeah, you are supposed to be trying to emulate Jesus
who paid with his life for disagreeing with temporal authorities. And you're
supposed to representing Jesus's word on earth. So like. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:29:26]
The stakes are really high. So why not just come out and say, she has
every right to stand up for her religious beliefs and she shouldn't be removed.
Just say that. She shouldn't to be removed for her religious convictions.
Shouldn't every commissioner believe that? If they're actually doing their job?
Why am I the only one doing my actual job? Which is to protect religious
freedom for all religions. It's very disappointing. And I think a lot of these
commissioners... Are on this to have access. Cause let's be honest, it's, you
feel cool being invited places, the fancy invites. Oh, I'm going to the White
House. But I've said over and over again, I would rather die. I would die than
deny my faith. And I'm standing up for my faith by doing this because I will
not submit to a country that is committing genocide in Gaza. Full stop. That is
the fact. And they want me to deny my eyes and deny what I've seen and what I
know in my heart as a Christian. I cannot do that. I would rather die. 

 

Tucker [01:30:40] One
of the most disappointing stories I've ever heard, and it hits me especially
hard again because I know most of the people involved and like a bunch of them,
so that's really, really sad. Tell us about the reaction to this hearing
outside of the Religious Liberty Commission. Like, how have other people
responded to this? Is anyone on your side? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:31:00]
Is anyone on your side? It's amazing. So Catholics for Catholics. Do you
know John Yip, the president of Catholics for, he actually helped Trump get the
Catholic vote in 2024. They've done amazing for the Catholic, you know, for
politics in general. And so they came out right away and it was beautiful,
Tucker. And they said, we are inviting Carrie to Washington DC and we're giving
her the Catholic Champion Award. 

 

Tucker [01:31:38] One
of the attacks on you, and I think I saw it from people on the commission is
you're not really a Catholic because you just converted to Catholicism. So like
how dare you speak for Catholics? Low thing to say about someone. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:31:53]
Very, very, very low. 

 

Tucker [01:31:55] And
I'm not misremembering that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:31:58]
That's exactly right. They're questioning how long I've been a Catholic.
But what's crazy, Tucker, is that I left, I used to be a Zionist. I used be a
dispensational Christian for my entire life. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I went to the
evangelical, Paula White type of churches my entire life. Oh, wow. And I
started studying about dispensatinalism. And I was thinking, wait a second, how
can they just interpret scripture however they want, twist it, manipulate it,
and say, those who bless Israel will be blessed. BB. Those who bless BB will be
blessed, and if you don't bless BB, you're going to be cursed, according to
Lindsey Graham. I started thinking, this is insane. So I started studying the
early church fathers, and I started studying what they taught. And it led me to
the Catholic Church, literally. Like learning about dispensationalism led me to
the early Church Fathers, and then I became Catholic. And so I'm not an idiot.
I know, I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That's
what the church teaches. We are fulfillment of the old Israel. I mean, look at,
Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross. He got, when he said, it is finished, the
old was completely done. There is the new covenant now. Those who are in Christ,
that is the New People of God. It is very clear. This isn't even debatable. I
don't even know why we're having this debate, which is why Bishop Barron and
Cardinal Dolan should be like, yeah, it's what we believe. We are the new
Israel. The land means nothing anymore. Yes, it's the holy land, but that's not
some biblical, what are they gonna, what's scary, Tucker, is these people like
Paula White and Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick, they believe that there will be, the
dome of the rock will be torn down and they will rebuild that third temple.
They're saying it now, look at Pete Hexeth. There will be a rebuilding of this
temple. Oh, I know. It is heretical and it is anti-Christian. 

 

Tucker [01:33:59] I
know that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:34:00]
Because they're going to bring in the animal sacrifices again. And the
most anti-Semitic thing that they believe is that two-thirds of the Jews are
going to be slaughtered. That's what these people believe. They're just
manipulating them and using them. They don't really care. 

 

Tucker [01:34:14] Oh,
everything you've said is true. I mean, Jesus describes himself as the temple.
Yes. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:34:21]
He is the temple. 

 

Tucker [01:34:22] Well,
he says that. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:34:23]
He is the lamb that was slain, the final sacrifice. 

 

Tucker [01:34:28] So
yeah, I'm a little confused. Okay, so I understand that there are people who
believe in the theology that you just described right there. I think it's
wrong. I don't think it makes internal sense. I don't think it is Christian.
But I think there are a lot of really decent people who believe it. I know some
really decent, people for sure that I agree with on a lot about their issues.
But they sincerely believe it The Catholic Church does not. The Catholic
church's doctrine, it's not something you have to guess about. You can look it
up online. It's been pretty consistent for a couple thousand years. So like why
in the world would Catholic leaders who don't believe this, why wouldn't they
just say, we don't this as Catholics? Because again, you can check it online if
you want. I'm totally confused. How are they controlled? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:35:15]
I think that they don't want to face what you've faced and what Candice
has faced and what Megan has faced, and what I've faced, Marjorie Taylor. It's
shut up, you hateful bigot, and we're going to destroy you. They don't want
that. 

 

Tucker [01:35:31] Really?
Because we're promised that by Jesus in the New Testament. Yeah, take up your
cross. I was interviewing this amazingly Anglican bishop in Jordan last month,
and I'm Anglicans, so it's just amazing to find out like a truly Christian
Anglicana. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Oh, it's wonderful. It was the best
thing I did all year. So I interviewed this man, and we're talking off camera,
and how often do you spit on or spit at in Jerusalem like every day. Orthodox
Jews spit on me or spit at me or urinate in my church or whatever. And I'm
like, I don't, how can you deal with that? I, someone spit on, me, I, don't
know what I would do because I'm not a great Christian and I'm having all these
fantasies about what I wouldn't do if someone spit at, me. Like I, I would not
respond well. And he said, Oh no, I feel blessed. Jesus was spit on in
Jerusalem. And I thought, wow, that's the Christianity I believe in right
there. That, that is right. That is, accept. Persecution that you're promised.
You are promised persecution. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:36:33]
Yeah. 

 

Tucker [01:36:34] It's
not ambiguous. You're not promised lots of money. Sorry, Paula White. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:36:38]
I know. 

 

Tucker [01:36:38] Your
promise persecution by the world that hates you because the world hates Jesus.
I was so inspired by that, it made me teary hearing someone say, because he
meant it. This was off camera, having a cup of coffee. And so, like,
considering that is the faith, I don't really get Christian leaders who are
like, oh, I didn't want to deal with the blowback. What? Jesus himself is
promising you, like what happened to him? When she's being tortured to death.
And I don't want to be criticized on Twitter. Yeah, look at the disciples. I
think they, to the extent we know, I think, they were all murdered. All but I
think one. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. So, anyway. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:37:17]
It doesn't make any sense to me. And murdered very viciously. Oh my
gosh. Horrifically. And so we now have leaders that don't want to even suffer
any discomfort at all, Tucker. They don't wanna be name-called, because that
would hurt them too much. It would hurt their feelings. So they're gonna hide
behind a 38-year-old mom and whisper, Keep going. I'm praying for you. 

 

Tucker [01:37:41] Oh,
do have people said that? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:37:43]
Oh, yeah. I mean, my priest, I've had several priests that I've spoken
to, I asked, you know, can you make a public statement? Oh, I don't make public
statements. I get people to heaven. Okay now That's okay. So hide behind the
mom and I'll, I'll take the bullets. I'll the bullets while the shepherds are
running for the hillside. Must be nice. 

 

Tucker [01:38:11] It's
not nice. But no judgment on them. No judgment. Well, cowardice is its own
punishment. I think your wife's never gonna respect you ever again. You can't
respect yourself. I think you're wife's attracted to you and you're a coward. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:38:26]
I know, but I will say to answer your question, I've had incredible men,
Catholic men, outspoken men stand up for me and several priests, I will say,
there has been priests. I have one that's coming to the event next week in DC,
the Gala. And I'm sorry, I got emotional, but I'm like, if it wasn't, I mean,
could you imagine going through all this? And then they come out and they say,
not only are we going to honor you, but invite you to this, but we're going to
give you this award. You're going get the Catholic Champion Award. You're a
champion, Carrie. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, thank you. Thank you for this. And
since then, they've had tremendous blowback. People pulling out, oh, I can't
believe you'd have that anti-Semite. I mean, this is where we're at. 

 

Tucker [01:39:11] Really,
they had people pull out? 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:39:13]
Oh yeah, yeah, they've had people, you know, attack them. Oh, I can't
believe you would have Carrie and, well, Candice will be there too. You know,
you can't have Carrie AND Candice. That's like two anti-Semites in one room. We
can only have one, I guess. I don't know. Um, so yeah, it's, it' very
unfortunate. It's, the public lynching and then making everyone around watching
say, yeah, there an anti-semite and I'm going to distance myself from them.
Cause I don't want to be labeled an anti semite. 

 

Tucker [01:39:42] This
will all be over soon. We've reached peak crazy. I felt like that hearing, the
response to you was that, that's as bad as it's gonna get without pushback. I
think you really woke people up. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:39:56]
Well, they're desperate though, which is scary because they will try to
do everything to destroy you. 

 

Tucker [01:40:06] I've
heard that. Yeah, you know it. Carrie, thank you for doing this. I really
appreciate it. That was an amazing story. 

 

Carrie Prejean Boller [01:40:12]
Thank you, Tucker. Appreciate you having me. 
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