Разговор о «сверхъестественном», археологии и недоверии к официальным версиям

AJ thank you for doing this thanks for happening um you've become huge for a good reason you want to hear my macro explanation for your success oh I honestly is always the first you know that's always an honesty good bs filter but you expose the deepest truth of all I think which is there's a lot of stuff we don't know and we pretend to know we like things are not especially the past is not settled like at all and there's just a lot that we don't understand and I don't understand why we won't admit we don't understand it whole parts of science archaeology especially but many others medicine just won't admit that we don't know what is that I think people don't like to admit when they're wrong would be my guess um I certainly don't I try to because I'm wrong a lot I am too um but we admit it and I there's something about the scientific community that the so-called mainstream that just doesn't want to be wrong yes maybe there's a financial aspect to it grants and so forth maybe there's ego involved but I I think it's nothing more than that it's just it's a human frailty it turns you into a liar though it does you have to like make the decision is my pride more important or the truth more important and you have to choose truth and I don't think that's common and if you're if you need a grant from the government yeah you need to put in that grant application what's going to get you paid what's going to keep your research going even if it's not exactly what you believe or the even what the evidence shows yes what I don't understand is the extreme hostility against alternate archaeology yeah I of course I agree and I'm I'm hostile to the hostility but I but I like you I don't actually understand what is that why would that be why is it the default position of the media that anyone who asks questions about obvious mysteries is maligned like what is that I don't know I think we should as a species be interested in in pursuing things we don't know yes and be open to any theory any theory of course um I mean Isaac Newton was wrong about so many things but he was right for a good a good amount of while exactly he was wrong about the philosopher's stone but he got some stuff right but um when someone like Graham Hancock whose work I admire I don't agree with all of it but I admire his tenacity oh yeah and persistence to call him a racist it was like you're calling him a racist now that was when ancient apocalypse season one came out he became I forget it was in a UK paper it was the most dangerous show on television because he was promoting um white supremacy because these ancient civilizations had to be white which he never says he's married to a woman of color um he never says any of that but that became the narrative that he's a racist and then they tried to get that show pulled what yes oh gosh I didn't I interviewed him once I thought it was most interesting thing I've ever heard and huh that's amazing but why would you why would you do that why would you make up a slur like that to destroy someone who's studying the you know some events that happened presumably thousands of years ago the past who's an archaeologist what why is he a threat to you I'm not really sure um that's sinister though if you think about it it is someone like zahi was is certainly infamous in egyptology and there was there was one there was one time I don't remember when it happened where graham was going to debate zai about about their theories zai refused he walked out and said I don't even want to hear what you have to say okay so for people who don't and I don't want to confuse anyone watching um so let's just start the beginning we're talking about egyptology in the specific case the pyramids the tombs um what do we know about the pyramids what do we actually know rather than what we've been told but like what can we be certain of be certain of I don't think we can be certain of anything like we can't be certain of when they were built some of them we can but the pyramids are strange because it seems like the ones that were built earlier are more perfect than the later pyramids huh which suggests that maybe you know certainly I subscribe to the theory that the egyptians did not build like the the period like like khufu they I think they found that um I think they I think they they found that and then tried to replicate it later on couldn't quite get it right why don't we know when they were built you can't really can't carbon date it but what about the mummies we found inside all the pyramids never found a mummy in a pyramid never what no there's we've never found a mummy in a pyramid I thought the mummies were from the pyramids no they're not um no mummies been found in a pyramid maybe they were placed in certain structures later on like valley of the kings and so forth but like the great pyramid of giza that's no mummies been found there there's a there's a giant box in the king's chamber that said to be a sarcophagus but it's not the right shape or size for a mummy huh so there are no organic objects found in the great pyramid for example that would suggest when it was built no organics no huh but there are strange things about the pyramid like chemical residue at certain and certain openings shafts that suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses that that are really not acceptable to mainstream of the objects that have been found in the pyramids in the tombs are there any that we can't explain any that we can't explain i don't think so um there's a lot of objects that we are not allowed to see still still sure i mean let's just look at the smithsonian i think has a billion artifacts and we're not allowed to see hardly any of those um they kind of just swoop in and just just take those so i don't think there's any unexplainable objects can you petition the smithsonian to sure see artifacts sure you can and but you're not going to be able to do that smithsonian is a weird organization um throughout throughout the history of the organization we have records of them receiving bones of giants and artifacts that that are kind of hard to explain we have records of them receiving it but then they lose them or they deny ever having them and the smithsonian which is a government institution is exempt from a lot of law like not too long ago a law was passed that if any museums are in possession of tribal like native american artifacts specifically funeral artifacts yeah they're to be returned to the tribes bones yeah well anything anything except the smithsonian they don't have to do that may i ask okay so a couple things but i just i don't want this to slip by so you're referring to the claim um that the nephilim as described in genesis 6 this race of giant people who are hybrid between the spirit world and the human world and they're the reason that god sent the flood this is all described in genesis they were giants they were great men of old i think is the phrase the claim from some people is that was that's actually real and the fossil record proves it's real because giant bones human bones have been found through the years and that some or a lot of them wound up in the smithsonian where their existence was suppressed yes and you're saying there's actually documentary evidence that that may be true yes there's document documentary evidence that the smithsonian has received bones and large coffins from not that long ago we're talking maybe the 50s or 60s and as recently as the 80s people have been trying to get access to this information but it's they're stonewalled or they just don't have it and there was one case where the smithsonian said we yes we did receive the bones but we don't know where they are and well if you received human bones that were larger than any human bones ever described in literature ever other than genesis 6 kind of a big story right yeah yeah and you see that story repeated over and over again especially in america for hundreds of years even native tribes have stories about giants have having wars with giants driving giants across the country to um the famous one is the love lock cave which is in california these are the redheaded giants and red hair has been found in that cave and giant sandals and clothing that is enormous actually yes um on display but it's always an explanation oh it's you know it's uh it's symbolic it's allegory or whatever it is but that's not what the native people say they say that this was a cannibalistic tribe that they cornered in a cave and sealed it and set it set them on fire essentially and if you go to that cave there is residue of the fire um there is one tribal leader who wore strands of red hair in her clothing for years that could look her up she's pretty famous so what and this is pre columbus's landing that um that incident maybe maybe maybe not it would be hard to hard to say it's just hard to see why redheaded people would be on the north american continent i mean talking about like neanderthal dna yeah i mean why would they be redheaded like none of the people we believe lived on this continent before the europeans arrived were redheaded they were all dark-haired true but if it's giants then this is dna that's a little different than ours so maybe that's what they were has this ever been tested by anybody no christmas feels like just yesterday but in fact it's already time to think about lent lent lent is a great chance to step back examine our lives and decide whether or not we're headed somewhere worth going this lent we strongly recommend the world's top number one prayer app it's called hallow its lent prayer challenge starts february 18th it's called pray 40 the return transformation does not start with improvement no transformation starts with repentance the courage to admit that you are lost and change direction pray 40 forces you to confront that responsibility forgiveness and what it means to truly repent and live a life of meaning by following jesus 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basically the remains of an ancient city artifacts a giant statue that kind of looks like buddha but but not quite hieroglyphics that kind of look egyptian but not quite and he comes out and he's um putting together an expedition and when it's time to go back and explore he never shows up and that story was in the papers what bothers me about that one it's it's one of the mysteries i that i really wish i knew is that you can find you can find that opening in the grand canyon and it's covered with an iron gate and above that area of the canyon is a no-go zone you cannot go there you can't walk there but some people have some people have and you can see embedded into the top of the cliff there iron hooks and equipment that would be used maybe to repel down the side of the cliff but when you do go there suddenly white planes will appear and you can't fly over the grand canyon but these white unmarked planes fly over the green no and black helicopters will appear and you can't do that over the grand canyon you can you can see this episode on my channel um where i linked to the full video of these people going up there and they're the helicopters and there's the plane and eventually they're park rangers or whatever throw them off the property that bothers me and you think and nobody will tell us why so not i've never heard any of that before but um as a general matter there's very clearly a coordinated long-standing effort by the u.s government specifically u.s government to bat away speculation about the past yes and to shut down any thinking about whether or not the things we're looking at could be supernatural in any way they're all natural phenomena that's what that's what we know but anything that suggests like supernatural is just ruthlessly put down i wouldn't see giants as supernatural that's that's that's that's a that's an animal that's a creature that's a mammal that's right so i don't know why that is so dangerous i don't i don't either i mean but that's kind of the question like you see the truth in the reaction i guess is what i'm saying like why why would you why do you care right for how long you know how long were the clovis people were the first people in america and that was if you said that anyone was here before them you were ridiculed but we keep finding artifacts that are older and older and thousands of years older and of course nobody from the pacific could have made it to the americas that long ago but that's been proven that tribes in east ecuador on the atlantic side have dna from polynesian people that goes back thousands of years so there has been contact of civilizations going back as far as we can remember clearly and we know that from sacred art ancient art on you know five different continents we see the same images the bird bird man the purse yes so i mean i think you've done work on this and it's like what is the explanation for that how could people living on separate continents before transatlantic communication come up with precisely the same images clearly they're responding to something that they're all seeing yes they must be communicating so what what is that the bird man for example this image which is throughout latin and north america also europe also africa also the near east also the far east it's a sacred image carved on walls on pottery of a bird face man with wings what is that how they all think of the easter island easter island is yeah is also very very strange um the bird man i think boy i can get really woo with this it could be a metaphor for a sky god that could be or an angel or or an angel looks a lot like the angels described in the old testament just saying it does and um there are plenty of passages in both old and new testament and even in in apocryphal works like book of enoch we're describing angels but describing them in a way that sound kind of like the bird man or sound almost like an alien entity um i think it was maybe the book of daniel ezekiel describes a man who's he's glowing with topaz and um elijah was taken up to heaven um no one's allowed to mortally go to heaven but he was taken and shown and ezekiel talks all about visions of this futuristic city that he thought was going to be a new temple of solomon but it sounds like a city and and uh that's after he describes ufos as wheels in the sky and all that those are the wheel but that shows up over and over again and enoch is also taken up by uriel and shown how the winds are made and he describes the heavens and in ways that we're not supposed to know at that time so there's some there's something to it um all religions have these if the vedic texts have very similar stories to these where um arjuna goes up and sees the heavens and sees these flying vehicles that were called vimana that vimana are described in such detail that they describe the technology of how they worked with rotating mercury and and and engineering specifications in texts that are the thousand bc same with buddhist hindu it's all all very similar stories coming back to the pyramids yes um so we don't know when they were built we because how could we know but the egyptian government and the archaeological community is totally vested in telling us they know exactly when these were built but in point of fact we don't know and can't know no mummies have been found in the pyramids i didn't know that till you told me but critically from my perspective it was like how were they built do we know we don't really know uh the the conventional story is ramps and pulleys right but i you know i think it's been mathematically shown that the the amount of ramps and pulleys and equipment that you would need to build the pyramids would exceed the weight of the pyramids themselves i mean how long does the ramp have to be to go up i mean it just doesn't make any sense um no one can really explain it and the precision of of how these stones were cut we can only barely match it now and this is this is supposed to be bronze bronze age yes done with bronze soft metal soft metal cutting the hardest granite in the world um i did it defies explanation but that's the explanation and why why is the pyramid made of all these different materials why not just make it out of out of the whatever sandstone you have lying around why why bring in tour limestone why use rose granite in certain places i didn't know that well rose granite is is very special because it's highly piezoelectric meaning if you apply pressure to it it creates voltage so that's one of the theories about the pyramid is the the grand gallery leading up to the king's chamber is lined with rose granite you don't see it anywhere else in the pyramid so that's highly conductive um the exterior of the pyramid was covered in tour limestone which is an insulator so you you have the structure that's almost designed like an electricity generator and then you have the queen's chamber and some other shafts where there's chemical residue that when combined create an enormous amount of hydrogen gas that then flows up through the grand gallery um expands creates electricity with this rose granite which ionizes the air and then at the time there were these slats 24 slats of wood that would create sound and which would amplify and what's strange is leading from the grand gallery into the king's chamber is a is a small hole i forget what it was maybe it's six three by six it just happens to be the right size to be a wave guide for hydrogen atoms so those flow then into the king's chamber and this resonates at a frequency i think it's 440 hertz it's like an f sharp and then and then above the king's chamber is a stone called a relieving stone and this is said to help relieve the pressure coming from the top of the pyramid the thing is it doesn't connect to anything it's perfectly flat on the bottom but it's chipped on the top almost as if someone was tuning chipping away almost like a tuning fork to get the right frequency now i'm not saying that's what it is i'm saying there's a lot of science there that makes you wonder why did why go through all this trouble for a tomb and there's no writing in there there's no writing in the great no there's no there's no there's no writing in there um there was some writing found in expedition i think it was in the 80s where a robot was sent in they found a door with copper handles which are not supposed to be there the other side of the door were it looked like hieroglyphics but they were not um and that eventually was suppressed and the explanation was well that was like the signature of the masons who built it or something like that well let's have a look at that footage well you can't really get a hold of that what so i there's all these strange things about the pyramid that that we just can't go we can't dig i don't know if you saw my episode on the on the labyrinth at hawara but it's that one really bothers me because that that's an ancient legend that goes back to herodotus and even before talked about this this labyrinth in hawara it's about 50 miles from cairo that this labyrinth was was enormous a thousand three thousand rooms and um and the priest said this was built by the ancients the ancient kings oh you mean the pharaohs they said no no the ones the ones before from zeptepi which was the first time well the the labyrinth was talked about the herodotus but by pliny by by strabo by all these famous historians it's there it's there it's there it's bustling and eventually just sort of disappears from history and becomes a legend well it gets rediscovered at the early like late 19th century and during the colonial period yes but we're not allowed to dig or go down there but recent technology like ground penetrating radar lidar from space shows that there's stuff down there um the explorer found it thought he found the foundation of the labyrinth was very excited about it it turned out what he found was the roof so the lidar is showing these giant spaces underneath the ground that are feet thick of heavy granite with all these spaces in between and in the center of this giant atrium is a 150 foot metallic ring that nobody can explain and boy i'd like to i'd like permission to dig or see what's down there and the tragedy is the water table is eroding all of that away and geologists are saying look we have to do we have to preserve this because this is going to be gone in 100 years 200 years we can't stop that the answer is no can't dig we're not going to prevent the water from eroding it leave it be the in curiosity about the monuments ancient monuments in egypt is pretty shocking i mean it was only when the french showed up briefly that we got the rosetta stone and figured out what hieroglyphics were and it was only under the british that any of this this was excavated hebert carter was british who found king tut's tomb it's like and then the brits leave after the second world war and it's like not really a huge effort to find out anything else like what is that i is it egyptian national pride i think i i don't know these things are more important than any nation of course so i i i don't know but do you think the egyptian government which is the second largest recipient of usa maybe that's related in some way has actively covered up information about its monuments yes i mean we have evidence of it um tell me uh there's i think i think it was called the tomb of the birds was discovered not too long ago i forgot the scientist i wish i remembered his name but i recently did an episode on him i just discovered this this ancient tomb this these caverns in egypt and they're i mean it's it's sprawling and it's clearly man-made and there's there's artifacts and there's there's writings all these kinds of things and he does the right thing and reports it to the authorities well he's banned from the country and uh what yeah he's thrown out he's banned from the country can no longer do any research and zai was says oh we always knew that was there and um who who did you serve to zai was once again um he was in he was the his title was something like this the supreme leader of the the council of egyptian antiquities some crazy title and he's he's still running interference he's supposedly retired but still runs interference and there's video of him rappelling down into the caves kind of exploring them saying look at what i have discovered so what do you think the motive is there oh some of that is ego um yeah i don't know the the deeper political motives i really don't know whether it's egypt or our government i i don't know but i but it bothers me so what do you think um since we don't know anything like the basic questions if this were we're writing a police report we'd have to leave every line blank because we just don't know when was it built who built it how did they build it unknown unknown unknown unknown so since you know a great deal about this topic hypothesize for a minute what do you think this is i think the clearest evidence comes from um maybe robert shock's work john anthony west and certainly randall carlson at the erosion patterns at the base of the sphinx you've heard about yes yes which clearly shows water water and a lot of it a lot of water moving at high speed for a long time which would indicate a great flood and i think all these stories kind of go back to the one the story which is the story of the great flood that probably connects to the end of the younger dryas whether that's the greenland impact theory or a solar event or whatever it is something happened that caused worldwide floods and eroded that sphinx which means it was there 13 500 years ago or older these would be the floods that the old testament says were sent to eliminate the nephilim correct um or there's another story of of udnapishtim i don't know if you know him from he's from gilgamesh and his story goes like this um one of the gods enki who's uh you may know as an anunnaki god enki tells into pishnam a flood is coming to reset mankind i want you to build a boat here are the specifications take your family on the boat take the animals on the boat the floods come he's saved he releases a dove and a raven he finds land he lands on a mountain he offers a sacrifice and he's granted immortality with god and that story sounds awfully familiar it does indeed and tell me again where is this story that's in gilgamesh oh that's in gilgamesh how did i miss that it's because it's a small part of it you know it's gilgamesh is a heroic epic yeah yeah this is you know a side story but it's interesting that it's it's telling the story of noah it right down to the dove and the raven that's wild the only thing different is i think they're reversed and i think um the dove comes back with the olive branch or something and no is there physical evidence around the world of of a great flood yes all over the place um uh carlson's work is fascinating about the erosion patterns all across africa that show the if if you look at it from high in the sky it looks like these kind of just waves across the landscape but these waves are 30 feet high so these are this is three-story buildings indicating an immense amount of water millions and millions of gallons of water per second just rushing across the landscape and we see that across across africa a desert what about in the continental united states not as much i you know i could be wrong about that because because the ice sheets would have come from the north american continent so how they get to africa i'm not exactly sure um but we certainly have evidence of of the glaciers moving and and retreating very quickly in the united states i mean that's how long island was made and other parts of course i mean the whole country was was sculpted by them not that long ago yes maine was covered in 11 000 years ago right right it's like yesterday right the pyramids were there they were there yeah i mean gobekli tepi is another thing that we can't explicitly gobekli tepi is pre-flood this is a pre-diluvian structure i'm not supposed to have where is it in turkey that's that's where all the good stuff is in turkey um tell us what that is gobekli tepi is an ancient site it's about 13 000 years old could be wrong on the date but i'm pretty close and um it's it's pillars arranged in that align with astrological formations that align with the seasons they're carved with intricate designs animals writing all kinds of stuff and we're not supposed to have we're supposed to be hunter gatherers with you know with spears and buffalo at this point not building these immense structures and what's really strange about gobekli tepi that's not hunter gatherer behavior no it is not that's very sophisticated behavior it appears that it was buried intentionally i can't explain why but maybe it was someone knew something was coming and we need to protect this site but that's very strange that's not even the oldest 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you look at stonehenge compared to gobekli tepe it's stonehenge looks it's almost like the kids made this with click with clay gobekli tepe is a work of art it's unbelievable petra in jordan yes you know it's miles down a wadi down a box canyon and totally inhospitable you get to the end of the box canyon and there's this like most evolved intricate series of buildings carved into the cliff sides like there's no there's not a stone mason on planet earth right now who could do that that's right period it's like what's that who did that and they're like oh well you know our ancestors did it how'd they do that oh i i was sandpaper or something slaves i no that's not true no that's not that's not how it happened so as you push forward a little bit on this stuff you get to the question of technology like what was the technology that built all this stuff it wasn't bronze hands tool hand tools no um they will say that it was they poured water or sand over the stone and used some type of mechanism to grind it away they did it with abrasives with abrasives but there's there's no evidence of that these these stones are polished they're immaculate some of the stones inside the structures are polished so well that they're like mirrors so abrasives can't do that i mean i've seen them and i i i it just i but i was lulled to sleep by the lies that like you know it's just incredible it's like how many man hours would that take right about a billion right like this didn't happen that way so do we is there any hint as to what the technology was that these civilizations only only legends there are legends of acoustic levitation um that are found in a lot of different cultures what's acoustic levitation specifically buddhist um there's there's even a british scientist who's allegedly filmed this where buddhists would sing and play instruments at a certain frequency that would cause objects to levitate and that's part of the legend of how these megaliths were built was some type of sound waves allowed them to lift these objects and place them perfectly into place what's a megalith a giant stone giant stone so there are giant stones around the world that are so large again there's no modern stone cutting that produces stones that big there is not there's nothing even go to the new york public library or whatever granite building you think is impressive and it's nothing compared to these stones right and you can you can pick up the mortar between those bricks and they're kind of it's kind of slipshod compared to the things that were you know made thousands of years ago so i'm just saying the same thing over and over but like how could you not look at that and ask questions i'd you know why is atlantis such a taboo subject with science it's because i think it goes back to the same thing we're talking about so what what is atlantis what do we know about i mean atlantis is like a byword for conspiracy theory but like what actually is it um we first learned about atlantis from plato who uh talked about in his dialogues was he a conspiracy theorist do you think yes i think so i think so people call him a whack job um and plato described in the in the dialogues for plato dialogues just he he plays characters or all that so in i think it's critias he talks about hearing the story from solon who was like his great great great uncle who heard a story from an egyptian priest about this ancient land beyond the arms of hercules which people think is probably the rock of gibraltar and it's a large continent larger than india and it's in it's populated by advanced people and there's a cataclysm and it goes underwater and he describes concentric rings and waterways and all this technology if you want to call it that and what's interesting about atlantis and a lot of people don't talk about this is in um in critias 2 which is which is which is plato's telling of it he's writing about atlantis and he stops mid-sentence and that's the end of it there's no more there's no more writing about atlantis so that's that's the earliest story we have of it and there are strange structures around the world that could indicate maybe atlantis um the eye of the sahara is a very interesting structure i don't think that's it um it's also called the reshot structure i don't know if you've seen this it's in no it's in western africa if you look at it it's concentric rings is it underwater no and it's a concentric rings and it looks like it fits the description now someone like randall carson who's a paleo hydrologist which i learned was a thing uh says it's not and i tend to believe him because it's it's built more like a dome and uh it's been above water for millions of years so it's probably not it but it's worth looking at but there are places like bimini road which are very hard to explain that's in the bahamas that's it's long it these are right angles that are submerged underwater and there's something that looks like a city buried under cuba that's definitely been there for 20 000 years in the water underwater and the yanaguni monument off of japan we've got these giant amazing thing these are all right angle in shallow water yes it's like an underwater temple off japan and like 12 feet of water you can you can dive it yeah but no but it's if you start talking about these things you're you're a kook and that was on video and you can watch it and and the official position correct me please if i'm wrong but the official position of the japanese government is rock formations yes rock that's it it rock formation it's natural no no like it's this elaborate non-natural non-random building i'll give you one right angle i i'll let you have one right angle i won't let you have two i can't two well there are a lot but there's a lot and this was discovered pretty recently by like fishermen or something this was wow it's just absolutely amazing um okay so here's what we've established we've established that the our view of the of prehistory is completely just wrong because the physical remains of these civilizations prove our theories wrong this couldn't happen we know that world governments not simply ours but others japanese in this case seem to be very committed to stopping questions about this halting curiosity shaming people maybe worse um so is it fair to say that there were civilizations as in some ways as advanced as ours tens of thousands of years ago i can't make that leap i'd like to but i can't make that leap because i feel like there would be evidence of that and um i think this is where graham hancock gets criticized unfairly because he's never said that there's been you know atlanteans with flying ships or anything like that all he said is we may have been more advanced than we've been led to believe and it deserves some more well that's obviously true i mean like it's not a linear progression so like the history that i learned always interested in history is that you had this kind of flowering civilization in the west china's different but in the west centered at athens and then rome and then rome fell in the fifth century and you had this thing called the dark ages where we stopped building aqueducts and steam baths and then it re-emerged during the renaissance but basically it was like a linear progression from the caves to the moonshot you know just like technology building on itself human civilization becoming ever more complex and but it was in a straight line that's just clearly not true no and certainly not in egypt where we have basically nothing and then suddenly we have hieroglyphics and astronomy and all and mathematics everybody knows the pythagorean theorem everybody knows that pythagoras learned that in egypt that's he's he's credited with that but that's egyptian the alexandria library that's correct yes so um which leads us back to aristotle which back to plato just to be clear the current occupants of egypt the egyptians are not i don't think related to the ancient egyptians is that fair to say god i i think it i think they are they are i think genetically certainly they are okay i don't know why i thought that maybe i'm thinking of greece um okay but civilization can certainly go backward like much farther backward than medieval europe went from rome certainly we've got a new partner it's a company called cowboy colostrum it's a brand that is serious about actual health and the product is designed to work with your body not against your body it is a pure and simple product all natural unlike other brands cowboy colostrum is never diluted it always comes directly from american grass-fed cows there's no filler there's no junk it's all good it tastes good believe it or not so before you reach for more pills for every problem that pills can't solve we recommend you give this product cowboy colostrum a try it's got everything your body needs to heal and thrive it's like the original superfood loaded with nutrients antibodies proteins help 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don't you know it it's kind of one of those clickbait stories where they when you actually see the images it's really just colored colored stripes but then when it lands in the news it's these pillars with with spirals and all this magical stuff that's that's not what i see in in in the in the data but you know maybe it is there um we know that the the great pyramid has strange properties we know that there's there is space down there on there's space all underneath the plateau we know that we know that for sure um are these natural caverns i no i don't think so um you know there's been there's been legends about the the the chambers under the sphinx that go back a long time and you know if you want to get very woo-woo about it there's been psychics who've explored that someone like edgar casey is a famous psychic who said that's where the hall of records is stored which is interesting because that connects back to the labyrinth as well which is which some people think could be the actual hall of records um but i mean i'll tell you a very strange story about dorothy edie if you have a moment i do have a moment i love strange stories dorothy edie was um she's born early 1900s in in england she's she's a troubled child she's unhappy all the time she's taken to the british museum when she's three or four years old and she they go to the egyptian section she suddenly lights up and she um she runs over to the the mummy of i think it's ramses and she says i know him and they think she's a wacky kid she's still she's still kind of despondent she gets a a book from her dad about ancient egypt and she's going through it and she says she recognizes all these places temple of seti and abados all these things and she starts studying at the british museum and for some reason she takes the hieroglyphics very very quickly and ancient languages very very quickly she claims that she's a reincarnated egyptian priestess that worked in that worked and lived in abados you know thousands of you during that fourth dynasty something like that she eventually goes over to egypt and okay and she shows up and she's she says i'm reincarnated egyptian princess of course you are um i she's i can prove it they take her to these tombs or underground chambers and they say all right show us around and she says let's go and she says this is where the gardens were this is where the fountain was this is where this was and she she's so good at this that that the egyptian authorities take her on staff with antiquities and she's able to describe in detail all of these ancient places that nobody knows anything about this is a reincarnation story yet she is embedded in the scientific community she is invaluable to egyptian research so much so that at at that time you had you were forced to retire at age 65 and this is a woman by the way working in the 50s and 60s in egypt she's allowed to stay on until she wants to retire because she's invaluable to the research she says that underneath the the sphinx is where we're going to find all sorts of of tombs and and artifacts of nefertiti and all these all these famous people she says they're down there i don't know but her story is very compelling all right well so i mean this is like one of these speculations you could probably prove if you tried yes but we we lack the technology to dig now or dig but we certainly have ground penetrating radar yes presumably if that was employed by the egyptian authorities you know over time you could get a pretty detailed picture of what's underneath no well like with hawara their labyrinth they didn't see permission to scan it they just did the permission has to come with you but you still have to get your hands in the dirt so we can scan all we want but unless permission is granted to dig we're just not going to know and what would be the the rationale for not allowing people to pursue their curiosity and science and all that like again i don't know with the hawara labyrinth the excuse is if we disrupt the site then there's um there's a canal there it will disrupt the local agriculture which is very important to that region so we can't disrupt the farm the farmers okay that's that's that's the reason the great pyramids why we can't dig i don't know but we shouldn't we should also acknowledge that there is exploration happening that i mean um i think pharaoh took miss the second was just discovered with a few weeks ago in the valley of the king so people are looking i just i don't think they're looking exactly in the right places there was a disc found in a tomb in egypt maybe a hundred years ago um that looks to be it's made out of basalt it's made of stone uh but it looks it's the most modern thing you've ever seen and i would encourage people to look it up if you're on your phone right now we'll just look up egyptian tomb disc and it looks like an impeller maybe in a motor an electric motor but clearly that was not created by a primitive civilization no it's the most precisely first of all how do you machine basalt okay it's not hand carved obviously look at it what's the explanation for that i i don't think there is one i don't think there is one i would like to know how they carve that basalt would be lava rock igneous rock yeah the hardest rock on earth i i don't oh is it the hardest i'm this well it's not like diamond but you keep copper's not gonna get through that yeah and it's so precise it's perfect it's it's perfect perfect and it you look at it for about 15 seconds you're like no no ancient culture did not make that at least the ancient cultures that have been described to me not just the machining but the the mathematics i mean it's perfect well that's a good point the design huh okay um so do we have any hint of the energy so clearly the missing piece here is energy the these the megaliths including the ones in the united states the massive structures in the american midwest and in florida earth and earthworks these are not just the math doesn't work on the number of man hours required to build any of this stuff a lot of the temples in latin america anchor watt like clearly it's not just somebody with a bronze knife making this stuff it's not namadala is another one with these that's uh that's polynesia also that these the tons these these they look almost look like lincoln logs but they're 10 20 tons they're they're huge no one knows how they could have been put into place and um they still stand they still stand we don't know when they were built or how long ago but if you look at it from the air you can see they had a sewer system they devised a way to get fresh water through this whole society but nobody knows who built this so why or or why the why could just be we live here right what's interesting is sewer system fresh water i'm so this is a long time before roman aqueducts yes but there they are so what what the explanation lacks is a is an energy source it's not just biceps and does has anyone put forward a like a reasonable hypothesis on that i did i mean it depends how you define reasonable of course it does plausible i guess is what i would say plausible not nothing that satisfies me the copper doesn't work the abrasives don't work for me acoustic levitation i like but it's that's really hard to prove it i'm acoustic levitation is is a thing you can levitate things with sound that's that is proven giant stones we we can't do that but just because we can't doesn't mean someone else could are you sure we can't i guess it's another way of another way of putting it would be are you convinced that the u.s government is totally transparent about energy no no i think they're totally opaque about energy really time oh yes um i think the u.s government probably has unlocked zero point or close to zero point energy which would be pulling energy out of the vacuum um we have inventors that have done that over and over and over uh and making energy of apparently nothing well we could start with there was someone there's a man named charles pogue who in the 30s tinkered with his carburetor and was able to get 200 miles a gallon it was proven this it was engineers investigated scientists it's totally proven um it worked it he was going to be a zillionaire or whatever he's going to transform society and uh the problem was once the news of his engine got out uh the oil stocks crashed they just crashed so the oil industry lobbied the u.s government we have to do something about this and in 1951 the invention secrecy act was passed so now if you patent any device that is more than 20 efficient that's instantly classified that's that is now a state secret it's what it's vital to national security you can't talk about it you can't um build it and you can't sell it unless you sell it to the u.s military you cannot do it um that went on for a while and there was a man named tom ogle and tom is the seven this is the 70s now he accidentally rewires his lawnmower engine to take the exhaust and pump it back into the carburetor and this thing runs on a gallon of gas for 78 hours or something like that so he can reconfigure his car was like a 1976 ford galaxy you know like a boat and he's getting 200 miles to the gallon on the thing he's offered a billion dollars from an oil producing country shell oil offers him 25 million dollars for the patent that he considers but they're going to shelve it so he says no um it's considered you know maybe one of the biggest inventions of the century suddenly tom without a history of drug use stumbles out of a bar he's drunk and he's he's killed and that's the end of tom ogle story and that all disappears all that research goes away and this repeats over and over and over again till we get to stanley meyer and you might remember stanley meyer and the water car because this goes in this is the 1990s now so now we have a vehicle that doesn't even we're not even talking about fossil fuels and protecting a multi-trillion dollar industry we've got a car that runs on water using um electrolysis which has been around since the 1700s but electrolysis requires a lot of energy and perfect water without impurities but stanley's figured out how to take tap water put it into his car and run his car on water and what it does is splits the water into hydrogen oxygen runs in hydrogen hydrogen is a fuel it works and it works and he drives it all over the place it's all over the news engineers look at it they say this is the invention of the century this changes everything he's offered a billion dollars and millions of dollars and everyone wants his engine and um he's sitting at i think he's sitting at a cracker barrel with his brother and some investors and they raise a glass to toast new investment to go into the future and um they take their toast and stanley suddenly doesn't feel well he runs outside he starts vomiting his brother chases afram says what's going on in his and and stanley says they poisoned me and he dies and in the medical examiner's report it says he died of an aneurysm but if you read the report you can tell the medical examiner didn't really like that because he wrote some other stuff like oh he said he was poisoned but toxicology doesn't really show it but but it says he died of an aneurysm and that technology is now gone the the patent's useless because stanley faked the numbers because he didn't trust the government because he had another invention that most people don't know about before his water car which was this toroid ring a toroid is a donut this donut shaped ring that he invented that created energy out of nothing and levitated but he patented it it gets in and he got hit with a secrecy act and they made his life miserable but people started to learn about that and that brings us there there are other inventors in between t tom and t toms and brown towns and brown to invent this anti-gravity technology he runs into all kinds of bad luck all these men have their research stolen they're broken into they're they're carrying guns they're threatened they're they're disappearing it happens over and over and over again i have an episode on this it's very sad and um we get to floyd sweet floyd sparky sweet who's he's my favorite because his inventions he videotaped all of his stuff and you see him in his workshop and sparky he's an engineer this is this is he's a garage tinkerer but he's he's an engineer and this was supervised by a military physicist maybe it was a mistake and you see him running a fan at high rpms and then he's got light bulbs all this energy and it's all running off this little box the size of a deck of cards and he puts in 0.03 milliwatts and he gets out all the watts you want it's a device that no matter what you attach to it it just whatever the need is it will give you the energy this is sparky sweet this actually connects to ufo technology i don't know if we'll go there but but it does connect so sparky's got this invention he gets some help from military physicist gets a visit late one night two men in suits come talk to him say good night he has a heart attack ambulance comes they they grab sparky the wife is not allowed in the ambulance he dies uh soon after a couple of black vans pull up they take all his stuff all his notes every piece of equipment and it just disappears and that's the last we hear of it about when was this i would say this is late 90s i mean stanley meyer was 1998 so this is recent recently yeah sparky may even be more recent than that is there evidence the u.s government is using any of this technology hyper-efficient you know anti-gravity levitation any of this stuff in like military technology i mean you can argue that the go fast video the tic tac some of these could be that i tend to think they are so there was a kind of tantalizing um almost kind of shocking admission the other day from the u.s government that during the maduro snatch operation in caracas on january 3rd that the u.s military used apparently used directed energy weapons i don't know that anyone's ever said out loud i don't know if they said it out loud but it was i mean it was obvious that's what it was that they have been very interested in those since tesla's research so tell us what they are directed energy weapons and with with tesla he had a few different versions about ionizing air and and projecting electricity through the air he had a few different ways of doing it and i don't have the science background to explain specifically what it is but directed energy is just that you take energy like a laser is would be a directed energy but using it as a weapon and tesla was working on that technology but what he wanted to do was create free energy for the world which turned out to be a problem for him and that's another story but when he died um so he died i think was january 7th 1943 the fbi was there they would they were like on top of it um they came way too fast and all his research 60 80 boxes were confiscated by the office of alien property which has nothing to do with extraterrestrials it's about office of alien property because he's he's not a u.s born so they come and take his research although he was a citizen since i don't know the 1800s he'd been a citizen 50 years so they seized his property and they send it to a right patterson air force base for a scientist named john trump to investigate tesla's research specifically later an mit professor yes and later an uncle of a president and they're specifically looking for d for dew's that's the technology they want they finally returned tesla's boxes are you sure it was john trump who received tesla's effects yes that's that's documented um what's actually yes but what's you know for a country of hundreds of millions people we have these weird coincidences a lot isn't it strange and the same families show up over and over it's probably not the episode to get into the bush family but boy i'd love to one day um won't do an episode on them uh i don't talk about the bushes of the clintons on my show or massad um i think you're a wise man so the boxes are wild i've talked to trump about his uncle like 20 times he's very proud of his uncle the last point on that yeah 20 boxes are missing and we don't know where they are that that that's the last point on that we don't know where the boxes are but you're sure it was the same john trump that the president talks about is a long tenured mit professor i mean he talks about him all the time brags about him all the time yes and he was connected to military intelligence huh yeah right patterson air force base the home of project blue book ufo research so those 20 boxes of nikolai tesla's research have never surfaced they have not so can you give us i i know many books have been written on this and you know famous company was named after tesla of course and all that but can you just give us the cliff notes version of his life you said it didn't end well for him what did you mean um he was very focused on free energy for the world he wanted to usher in sort of a new age for humanity which free energy certainly would do um he was supported by jp morgan it was his financier tesla was not a good businessman his rival edison was he wasn't as talented um but he was good at playing the business game tesla was not so tesla wanted to create free energy he was supported by jp morgan and said i'm close i tesla demonstrated free free energy by he plugged light bulbs into the ground and had them had them working so he demonstrated it and he said to jp morgan i just need a little bit more money and we can we can put energy for everyone could you just tap into it and jp morgan said well if energy comes out of the air where do we put the meter you mean free energy new age of mankind jp morgan pulls the funding and funds edison and marconi instead and tesla's this is warden cliff tower on long island where he's doing this research he goes in default on the mortgage they tear it down he dies in poverty in the new york hotel in 1943 one of the most across from penn station yes it is one of the grim now a migrant hotel yes it is that's where he died that's where that's right room 33 27 that's a crummy place to die it is but there's a good white castle downstairs yes i don't think anymore probably not wow um do we have any sense of what concepts he was working on when he died or what might have been in those 20 missing boxes it was the directed energy weapons that i that they really wanted uh there's a there's a good deal of documentation that the military was interested in that but specifics no we don't have that we just we just don't know specifically what were in those boxes his nephew says it was everything to do with energy um and just for interesting john trump the uncle of the current president long-time mit professor is there any evidence that he worked on the oap question none that i could find but if you're at right patterson in the 40s and 50s that's project blue book so that's that's that's the home base of ufo research so you know whether he's working on it i i can't prove that but he's certainly passing those guys in the hall i mean blue book started when 52 so he's involved he's you know he's there so i keep hearing this phrase remote viewing which i i sort of picture in my head what it is i don't really know what it is i don't know if it's real or not the government's involved what do you know about remote viewing first tell me what you think it is i think remote viewing is i'm like actually being a little bit false i have some sense of what i know it's this it's the ability to see things that are very far from your physical proximity so you like close your eyes and you can all of a sudden look into a room a thousand miles away i know that i think it's true that cia worked to evoke this ability in people um but i kind of want to know this data play is that actually real do we know that it's real we know that it's real um remote viewing started it probably started but you know at the beginning of the human race but remote viewing that we're talking about started 1972 stanford research institute um russell targ and uh help put off physicists scientists were just studying psychic phenomenon just you know where here's a shape on a card you know that scene at the beginning of ghostbusters is it a star is a circle they're doing that sort of thing and um a man walks in his name is ingo swan he's become a very famous psychic and uh at this point targan put off for essentially advertising on campus psychics wanted so he walks in and says i'm the best psychic in the world so they give him a card to read and he says give me something hard to do like well like what send somebody out in the san francisco bay area and i'll tell you what where they are and what they see it's like okay we'll do that so they send somebody out and he just starts to kind of focus and concentrate and he starts to draw you know i see what i see i see a water fountain but it's but there's no water in it i see these circles on the ground i see a building and turns out they got it all right they described the pattern of the walkway there was a fountain there that was not on that particular day the building was exactly where they said it was then they realized okay we have something something different here than a shape on a card they said well ingo where can you go and he said i can go anywhere like anywhere like anywhere in space and time i have a whole episode of ingo remote viewing the moon but let's stick with this for now so they test ingo swan um a few times that uri geller was it was another one they tested who was able to see things inside safes and there are a few other psychics pat price is my personal favorite joke mcmonicle is a very famous one but um what got cia's attention was in sr in in at stanford buried deep underground was a magnetometer and this was used to measure perturbations in the earth's crust to detect nuclear explosions so this is an important device it's buried underground shielded by cement superconducting shielding like you can't this you can't get to it ingo is able to draw what it looks like and he says i could even move that needle i said go for it so he moves the needle now they're excited the experiment works but that needle moving means a nuclear explosion just went off somewhere so the cia government gets involved they want what's going on it's not a nuclear explosion oh we are doing this program and they say you're doing what and they're not really they don't really care that he can move a needle they're worried about he can see inside behind cement and that means there's no more secrets so the cia starts funding this project through various front companies and all intelligence agencies want to get involved with this it comes kind of comes to a peak this is before pat gets involved but it's an interesting story it's called the it's called the sugar grove break-in there's this cia analyst there's a bunch of cia people there cia analyst says um here are coordinates they give to ingo swan nobody knows what the coordinates are the analyst won't tell nobody the handlers won't tell nobody knows here are the coordinates and ingo does his thing and he says i see a guard house there's a there's a radar giant radar dish and there's bill it looks like a military there's accordion roll-up doors there's jeeps it's military it's some type of military installation he draws it the mountains are here the roads here there's the river detailed map says that's what i saw and uh they give to the analyst say here is this it and guys like it's not even close i gave you the coordinates of my vacation house in west virginia then they were like oh shit okay so that didn't work but pat price comes along and pat price may be the most talented psychic ever he remote remote uses the same location sees the same things without knowing anything what ingo saw you look at the maps they're almost identical radar dish guard tower roll-up doors but pat is very talented he says i see a building i'm going into the building let me back up for a second pat price retired police officer from burbank always had an intuition to solve crimes where's the body price knows where's the suspect hiding price knows he just thought he had a hunch but he retired and started to develop this skill and heard about this program and got involved so that's pat price so he sees the same things so now that's clearly not a coincidence so this is not a log cabin vacation what's going on there so sri sends someone to the coordinates they they find the vacation how they found the log cabin and they're like but there's a dirt road here about 200 feet we'll follow the road and they follow the road down just over the ridge in west virginia in sugar grove and there's the guard house it's a military installation and they can't they can't enter but they can see there's a radar dish the problem was pat price who went into the building he said i see green filing cabinets all right pat what else it says operation pool okay go he said i'm going through the folders cue ball cue stick rack up eight ball office very specific it turns out that caused every law enforcement agency in the country to show up at sri and they wanted to know why this weird cia pet project was spying on the the most secret nsa facility in the world not just secret but so top secret that even the names of the projects which were cue ball rack up all this were top top secret this is a facility to spy on russian satellites nobody knew it was there the cia analysts didn't know it was there so ingo and pat just their consciousness they just assumed well they they don't care about the log cabin where this is the cia they obviously want us to look at this so from then on every intelligence agency had psychics working all of them none of them admitted to it but they all had psychics working for them and um i know the iran rescue operation in 1980 he had one correct that was joe mcmonicle who found that um this operation i think was leaked by jimmy carter in 96 who was giving a talk at a college and some kid asked him like what's the weirdest thing that ever happened you were president and he said you know in his in his farm you know farmer voice you know we had this russian bomber go down in africa and we needed to get there before the soviets we didn't know how to do that but we knew we had this group of like psychics that could see stuff and they were helping solve because they were involved with the patty patty hearse kidnapping they helped they helped find that um but that that's not why they reported but it but it happened um so they had a remote viewer who was really just like a receptionist that they trained to do this because this so this is an ability that we can all do she found where that bomber went down and the american military was able to get there before the russians and retrieve this bomber this is this all documented and and carter just kind of let that slip and that was sort of the end of the public knowing about that was the whole reveal it kind of was it was called project stargate at this time but it was originally project scanate and grill flame and center lane and some other names like that project stargate is the one that everybody knows um so they test pat price again and they said we you know rather than spying ourselves let's see what he can see on the soviet side and pat draws this he says i see a science fiction crane and he draws it out it's a big gantry crane which is like uh uh i don't know 100 foot tall crane that sits on railroad tracks it's a huge thing and he draws it and shows the cia and they can't believe it but it matches aerial photography so he sees it so now they want to know what is this thing he says i don't know what it is but underground are these 50 are these 60 foot metal spheres but they don't work nobody knows what they are it later comes out that they weren't 60 foot spheres they were 58 feet and they were containment for nuclear nuclear material but they didn't work so he saw that that was pat price so he is so impressed with his work that they say you just come and work for us so they pulled him out of sri and he's exclusively working for uh for cia at that point he's doing some of his own remote viewing uh kind of on the side some not espionage he's looking around and his most famous one is he remote viewed mount hayes mount hayes in alaska and he sends his consciousness into the mountain and he sees inside the mountain tall thin alien beings working alongside american military he sees it inside the mountain now people have gone up there there's no way in there's no way out i can't prove any of it but this is what he saw so he takes that information he gives it to hal put off hal's no longer with stargate at this point i think it's run by skip atwater could be wrong but i think it was skip gives it the skip and skip passes it along just a couple of days later pat is in las vegas and he's in the hotel lobby in front of the elevators heading up to his room someone bumps into him and he feels like a pinch a pinch on his leg goes upstairs calls his wife to say good night she says you don't sound good he says i don't feel well he says say good night and he's found dead the next morning yeah uh 58 years old that's they called it a heart attack but no autopsy is done um someone comes in with credentials they say we'll take it from here pat's body's cremated and then they call his wife and say what happened and pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in north hollywood which you can find if you want to pay your respects if that's where pat is pat price probably the most talented that there was joe mcmonegal is famous he's still around by the way still remote viewing he's the one who found he found a large building like a hundred yards from water in the soviet union and didn't know what they were building in there he starts sketching a submarine like all right they're building a sub and he says no this is different it's got like it's like two subs together it's like a twin sub they're like what are you talking about it's a twin hull sub he said it's it's giant he said i've never seen anything this big and they're going to launch it in 120 days that's kind of specific and 118 days later the russian typhoon class sub is launched and it's the largest submarine ever made and it's a twin hull sub and joe saw that now he claims his success rate is like 90 95 percent say he says it's lower than that but he saw that and joe mcmonegal he's he's received the order of merit which i think is the second highest award you can get as a for i think it's the second highest as a civilian from the military and in his in his citations for 200 successful missions 150 of which provided vital intelligence to american operations but it doesn't say anything more than that but that's in his official citation now all this kind of comes out and i think gates was i think gates was dci at this point he goes on tv and says there's nothing to this stargate thing no real intelligence has come from it and we're shutting it down and that was kind of the last that happened with stargate publicly publicly i i think it continues because the soviets were trying to do the same thing at the time and uh and they allegedly got it to work now interesting enough soviet and american remote viewers they get together and they teach each other and actually practice um what i find fascinating is they could see not just through space but through time so there was one time where joe mcmonegal was given he was given coordinates and he remote viewed it and he said i think about mars i said okay what do you see he says i see these tall slender beings walking around something's going around something's going on there's a problem there's there's species is dying and he said i feel i feel like it's a long time ago and he comes out of his trance whatever so the coordinates were mars and it said mars 1 million bc so he saw beings on mars um at the time the the the mars was supposed to be this barren planet but mars had was full of was very earth-like oceans but at the time no one said that but joe saw it just like ingo on the moon saw alien bases on the moon saw psychic beings on the moon he said they're aware of us and um i think i think those are the things that that made the crew of uh any of the apollo missions when they landed on the moon did they see anything officially no officially no um the story goes that there's a there's a radio blackout when neil and buzz are up there when they first get there and there is a radio blackout and the story is well you know how the orbit works sometimes the radio signal drops whatever the story is they switch over to the medical channel and said they're here they're on the crater and they can see us that's that's what the story is and ingo swan said he saw things on the moon he saw structures he saw beings that are there if you go through secondary sources every astronaut has seen strange things in space edgar mitchell is on record as saying ufos are real they're extraterrestrial roswell is real that happened we have craft um the government is lying this is the sixth man to walk on the moon this is not a kook this is an american hero so something's clearly going on up there but anyway that's that's the what do you know about the moon exactly not not very much not very much at all we um let me ask you do you think we went to the moon do you think we landed on the moon i have a lot of thoughts on it uh that i never get into i mean i you squirm the way i do and asked i mean i went down this once um because it's my job right and i found it really distressing so i just kind of give up but i did you know i talked you know you never know who's telling you the truth about anything right but uh i talked to people you know i sort of do trust like no it's not but then i thought yeah whatever i don't i don't there are a lot i spent my life looking in into things and trying to figure out what's real and what's not and and i do think in midlife you realize having done this for so many years that like some things you're just you're not gonna know right and and i think you can go crazy because i've pushed to the edge of it myself trying to figure out what's right what's true what actually happened what reality is but i think it's unattainable on certain stories this may be one of them i will say we accidentally taped over the original footage because we ran out of betamax yeah and the you know the schematic drawings of the of the spacecraft are like missing and also it's like telemetry data's gone it's like stop they can't replicate the technology right yeah right so that would um i'll say this if it if it was faked yeah of course can't prove that um then it's just one more instance of the u.s government having to backfill you know a 57 year old lie and it's done that a lot it certainly did it with the murder of john f kennedy and it's just it you know you tell a lie and it just kind of doesn't go away because you have to continually make up new lies in order to cover you know the ur lie the original lie so um you'd hate to think that's that's real that's the struggle with the moon landing question i think because i it wasn't a gotcha question because when i'm asked that all the time and i do the same thing i kind of go uh a i wish you didn't ask me that b i'm not sure i think we did i think something was found up there which is why we didn't go back and for me it all hinges on edgar mitchell because i trust i trust and believe him and if he says he he walked on the moon then i believe him but i think something was found up there that that maybe the government didn't want us to find clearly lying around it i mean that's what we know that's i just know that from having a lot of children if there's like evasion and certain parts of the story don't make sense then there's lying there now what does that add up to sometimes it's just very minor you know um and sometimes it's not but lying is the tell it's a sign of you know what it is which is deception trying to hide the truth from other people like clearly clearly uh they are lying and that's what makes this so difficult is because we know they lie about all these things we run around in circles yeah and the money and the waters are muddied and i think that's kind of the whole point of it it may be because simply because i know you're lying does not mean i know what the truth is correct that is true for so many different things some of which i have like very close proximity to where like i know for a fact you're lying like you basically told me you're lying but i can only guess as to why right right that's 100 true last question do you ever feel driven to like craziness by your job i mean talk about in the middle of it yes um maybe not insanity but i have become maybe certainly more jaded disappointed in my government yeah because i didn't grow up that way i grew up in a very patriotic home yep so everybody's a cop or in the military or both draped and draped in old glory and then and i was like that really my whole life yeah iraq wars i'm behind you you know me too america everything all of it and in my research i've learned that i think just about every war we've fought since the second world war is based on a lie i can't find any that are based on truth and there's an argument that even world war ii was kind of did america was deceived into getting involved in that um but every other war was based on a lie which and that's that's that's certainly proven uh the gulf war was started by a pr company and you remember when naria gave her her testimony in front of congress that they were throwing the babies on the ground in the hospital oh it was very heartbreaking when she was the daughter of the ambassador of kuwait and lying she had never been to that hospital but i remember that we had boots on the ground killed a lot of people you know not many americans died thank heaven but um yeah i drove on the highway of death boy i'm not i'm not defending the iraqis i guess we're you know it doesn't matter how many we kill that's our official view but that's only 30 000 it was pretty brutal i mean i saw the aftermath of of it was pretty pretty but but 500 americans that's enough for me to get there are 500 killed in the first goal for i'm so embarrassed i didn't remember that so jaded disappointed angry um but not bitter not bitter uh you know i i end my episodes i really never with despair never really with hope it's more about um try to when you're told things just think closely i try to help people to not what to think but but how to think don't trust everything that you that you that comes out of the media whether you're on the right or the left that really that's all kind of a puppet show it's really about people versus power and anything that powerful tell you don't trust it exactly exactly why i couldn't have put that better aj thank you very much thank you for having me wreck my sleep