ian carroll i have wanted to meet you i'm grateful you're here yeah thank you
thanks man um so i just want to understand one story i want to know what we know
about the biggest mass shooting in american history in las vegas 2017 i spent a
full year looking into it got nowhere um other than increasingly skeptical of
the story we were told but i i really don't there's a lot i don't know so will
you lay out what we do know yeah um i mean first the most important thing to
highlight is that i'd bet that a lot of people when you started that sentence
don't know what the most deadly mass shooting in american history is because i
think that most americans have forgotten about the las vegas shooting because it
just got poofed right out of the news after like a week and they just never
brought it up again basically um and then there was actually disinformation
poured in to try to stop journalists and investigators and regular citizens from
uncovering basic truths from getting basic disclosure um can you be specific
what does that mean disinformation poured in of what well i think we'll get
there in the story um and but before we start the story it's important to give
myself context in that i wasn't there and i wasn't researching at the time and
so the actual work of what we do know was done by a bunch of citizen journalists
a bunch of really incredible researchers at the time which i'm going to try to
kind of shout out as we go through it because i didn't do any of the original
research i came in long after the fact and did my research and found all of
their work and well you have a talent for synthesizing so i mean that's what i
try to do is i'm good at i'm good at getting eyes on stories and a lot of the
best researchers and journalists are just good at the information itself at the
journalism exactly right and we we kind of need these different people in these
different lanes to sort of help each other out and work together in order to get
the story done but then also get it out to as many people as possible and this
one is so important as i think we'll talk through here not just in that it's the
most deadly mass shooting in american history but in that it has very direct
political and geopolitical implications for what's happening today on the world
stage um depending what theory you subscribe to about what really happened but
um the basics of what happened is we're told that stephen paddock this
disgruntled 60 something like real estate guy x x gun guy uh thought he was a
hot shot but was failing at life and he was slipping in his mental health he had
a gambling problem and you know all these little explanations they kind of give
after the fact and he wound up going to las vegas um and there's so many places
here where i'm going to have to sort of say first they told us this and then
they told us this and first they said he checked into the hotel the day before
the shooting um but it was later revised because it was obvious that he had
checked in uh like five or six days before the shooting on the 25th of september
and he checks in and over a series of days he lugs up i think 22 bags of weapons
and ammunition to his hotel room um suite 32 135 he had two suites 32 135 and 32
136 that were adjoining and he rents it alone with no one else on the room
though we later learned that that wasn't true and uh and he stocks with all
these weapons which were mostly all ar platforms with bump stocks very important
that you know they were bump stocks because that's evil and makes no sense um
and then there's this country music concert on october 1st uh down outside of
the mandalay bay across the street in this big parking lot with thousands of
attendees and we'll kind of circle back to this endlessly i think as we unpack
what really happened and what people really discovered about it but um there's
some stuff with the security guard that gets an alert about the doors or about
you know what's going on in the room and he winds up up there and gets shot at
through the doors and initially we were told that that happened after the
shooting then it was revised to before then it was during the shooting so
there's some security guard stuff in the hallway but what the public found like
experienced was they're at this jason aldean concert and at 10 0 5 in the
evening a couple of distinct pops ring out over the concert that we have on on
footage we have footage of all sorts of shit around this story and you can hear
the pops individual like pop pop pop pop pop kind of things and then about a
minute later at uh 10 0 6 automatic gunfire just starts cracking in the night
and people start to run they start to scatter uh jason aldean still doesn't
realize what's going on because the concert is super loud and he's got his
monitors going and all this stuff even though most of the eyewitnesses that were
there claimed that the first shot sounded like they were coming from the stage
they sounded like they were very close is what witnesses described they sounded
like they were coming at them like from right there at the stage um by the
second volley which came a little less than a minute later jason aldean realizes
he gets pulled off stage and everyone's scattering and then over the course of
about nine ten to nine to ten minutes 12 volleys of automatic gunfire uh ring
out in the night and are captured on body cams they're captured on cell phone
videos they're captured on you know various recordings and you can hear them all
across the las vegas strip and then the official story is that stephen paddock
barricaded in his room up on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay who he's knocked
out a window so he can shoot through the window he's actually knocked out a
window in both of these suites and he's running back and forth between them and
shooting his bolt action rifle and then shooting his bump stock ars and spraying
this concert with with bullets and he allegedly shot more than a thousand rounds
from that room um used multiple ars even though one would have done the trick
and then allegedly he just got bored or sick of it and just committed suicide
with no cops at the door with no reason to stop with no real explanation for why
he stopped he just stopped shot himself in the head with a revolver and that was
the end of the shooting and no other shooting took place no other gunmen were
there no other things happened that night at all that's the official narrative
just this one guy with no motive no manifesto no explanation of why just did
that and then checked out in the meantime the concerts tripping out there's all
sorts of other things that are definitively happening all across the las vegas
strip in the air at the airport at the other casinos which we'll get to but um
the police response to the alleged lone gunman is they this security guard that
had come up and had gotten shot at he had discovered that the door to that floor
from the stairwell was bolted shut um and so he had gone down gone up the s the
elevator and then at that point had gotten shot at through the door um we found
out that there was cameras kind of set up outside the room so someone had
visibility outside the room but so the cops get up into the stairwell right by
this guy's room and they are within a minute or two of the shooting ending
they're like outside the stairwell door that's barricaded and they're just
waiting there and they wind up waiting there allegedly for swat teams to show up
so they can bust through that door and then over an hour after the shooting has
ended and he's allegedly shot himself finally the swat has the swat which we'll
get to has busted through this stairwell door and they're on the floor and then
they reach his hotel room door um and we have one body cam of this that is very
suspicious and he's dead there on the floor and they secure the room and it's
all over but immediately the public was completely not with that explanation
because everyone that had been there had experienced something completely
different than that and everything that was coming out from the l from the lvmpd
um las vegas metro police department they had changed their their stories had
been strange during the night uh things that had obviously happened things that
were recorded on body cams things that had been witnessed all across the las
vegas strip were completely absent from what they were telling people had
happened and every single person that was there had heard the gunfire that was
clearly not the firing of ar platforms it was clearly some sort of and i'm not
the weapons expert on this but there's lots of them there it was a country music
concert and the consensus was that it sounded like belt fed machine guns of some
sort and when you watch the video footage which is available online and we'll
talk about some cool resources online the video footage very clearly can be
heard that this is something else but you can also hear that there's multiple
guns being fired at once and you can hear that some of these machine guns are in
different locations while they're simultaneously firing just from the way they
sound you can hear lots of different stuff going on just in those 12 volleys of
automatic gunfire but just to sort of tease out the audience on how many things
we're going to have to talk about to get to the bottom of this we have for
example at midnight more than like an hour and a half after this guy's allegedly
shot himself in the head we have at least nine different police body cams that
are public on the internet right now that you can go watch where all nine of
them at 11 59 i think it is all of them in different locations around the strip
record like seven to five volleys of automatic gunfire somewhere down by the
bellagio and i say seven to five because some of their body cams capture the
later five and some of them capture an earlier two as well and in between there
you can hear the police dispatch saying we got reports of shots of bellagio
shots of bellagio and then all throughout the night there's all sorts of body
cam footage talking about we've got a suspect at tropicana we got a gunman at
tropicana we've got someone at bellagio we got someone in the mirage there's
basically something is happening at various times throughout the night generally
in a northward pattern at almost every casino on the strip um some of them are
far more corroborated than others like the bellagio there is dozens and dozens
and dozens of 911 calls there's body cam footage with stuff like i just
described so there's stuff happening in the casinos that clearly doesn't line up
with one lone gunman in one window that's been dead for an hour two hours by the
time these reports are coming in then there's stuff that happens at the airport
um and there's lots of stuff that happens at the airport but the simple tease of
that is that we actually have the audio from the control tower air traffic
control saying um i think it's about an hour what would it be it's it's not an
hour it's at 10 35 so paddock allegedly kills himself somewhere around 10 16 to
10 18 at 10 35 air traffic control says we have an active shooter on the runway
on the runway on the runway and we have a really on the airport run on the
airport run at mccarran at the main yeah wow although they renamed it but yeah
at mccarran airport the harry reed yeah which is right there next to the concert
it's like you know two yeah that's an in-town airport but it's a huge airport
huge airport and at the time there is a police helicopter circling over top
looking at trying to figure out what's going on at the airport because something
big happened at the airport but the footage that we eventually that journalists
got released feels very doctored because it's it's it's pointing at one weird
angle and it's spiraling around so you only get very small glimpses of what's on
the runway but you do see several groups of people walking around on the runway
and it's in infrared and there's a couple of these groups of people that look
like they're wearing black things they have black things which in infrared is
steel is you know no heat so guns body armor those sorts of things would show up
in black so there's visual of stuff happening on the runway there's air traffic
control saying we have an active shooter on the runway and then one minute later
someone comes onto that radio call and says i want you to kill the lights on
this runway and that runway kill the lights yeah turn off the lights and they
turned off the lights at the airport for a certain amount of time we don't know
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man with a gun somewhere at night why would you turn off the lights well the
only reason that i would think of the most obvious reason that i would think of
is because you also are doing things there that will benefit you to have the
darkness to get away or to finish what you're doing or something um and we're
going to come back to all that because there's what we were told happened and
then there's what we have evidence did happen and then there's theories of how
could you possibly explain all of that in a rational way that would actually fit
it all together because right now the public has this experience with charlie
kirk's assassination unfortunately where when a crime is committed obviously the
actual explanation will explain all the facts some of them might be weird
coincidences some of them might just be crazy circumstances but the actual
explanation of what really did happen really does explain every single fact
about a situation right like that's just the nature of reality you know what i
mean yeah when you know the real explanation everything fits um and it can be
bizarre it can be anomalous sometimes but it has to be that that real
explanation will suddenly click into place and in other words the facts have to
drive the explanation rather than the explanation driving the bingo and so when
it comes to vegas there's actually after citizens journalists media pushed so
hard they sued they they went through years of fighting to get the most basic
stuff released like autopsies uh body cam footage audios um basic reports about
you know police reports and such about what had happened things that very much
should have been public and forthcoming and that weren't um and they had to sue
the lvmpd they had to sue the coroner personally in order to get the autopsy of
steven paddock released um i think he eventually wound up paying like 32 000 or
something like that and so after all that stuff got released we actually have
quite a bit like a huge body of evidence it would take the average person months
to acquaint themselves with all of this stuff um which is why i gave that
disclaimer at the start that i wasn't there and i wasn't one of the researchers
at the start and i had to try to like become acquainted with the story after the
fact which is a monumental task um and so i'm leaning on the shoulders of all
these people that did all this incredible work to try to uncover this and then
to theorize about what really happened um and there's still a certain amount
you're never going to get back when you look backwards at these kinds of things
because so much gets covered up that's right so much requires you to have been
there or to have talked to the witnesses that's correct whatever it is and
surprise a number of the witnesses that were most vocal about the fact that
there was more than one shooter actually died strange deaths in the weeks
following like people that were taking to twitter or uh uh facebook and being
very vocal about their testimony that no i guarantee you it was more than one
shooter i know it was more than one shooter multiple different people that were
doing that died in things like car crashes or of like uh weird medical
conditions actually yeah so um i don't know the number of exactly how many um
because those are harder to trace down and confirm but i know for a fact like
for example there was a couple that uh died in a car wreck um that had been
there and had survived and that had been the i think it was the husband that had
been pretty vocal online about how there was more than one shooter and they're
they're both in a car wreck and they die um there's another woman that uh had
been extremely vocal and had one of the most sort of viral multiple shooter
testimonies that um i think that she died of a health thing one of them one of
them died of like a a random like kind of robbery shooting kind of thing and
those ones are those things are harder and harder to uh confirm because there's
not as much reporting about a single random person's death sort of like a nobody
so to speak and by then the apparent cover-up was in very much full swing but
it's pretty well confirmed that at least a fair at least a handful of survivors
that were vocal about the story being wrong happened to die and maybe that's
just all coincidences but um there's no coincidental explanation for the number
of things that don't fit that narrative that night and so now we've kind of
covered the official narrative lone gunman no explanation and that is their
official explanation is that there was no why they never figured out why and
that it ended by you know 10 16 or 10 18 and that was it and nothing else is
true so after the fact i'm come to the story trying to learn about it and i
spend a number of days digging through various people's documentaries and
various people's youtube channels and various people's reporting about it uh
sifting through kind of all the old material and i wind up i stumble across this
website called vegasshootingmap.com and i don't know who made
vegasshootingmap.com but whoever they are they are a hero because what they did
is they made a website using google's map tools to build a archived map that is
actually overlaid over google maps that has little pins for every single piece
of original documented not literally every piece but hundreds and hundreds of
911 calls actually sourced click it and then you're at the 911 call listening to
the audio time stamped out for when the first volley is when the second volley
is when the third volley is or it's a reported shooting at tropicana and you can
listen to the the audio of this 911 call and it's so it's like this invaluable
resource of calls and autopsies uh the death reports um police body cam footage
cell phone videos i don't know who made it that is an enormous test unbelievable
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vegas shooting map now whenever i type veg into my web browser it suggests vegas
shooting map because i've been there so many times um and so for me when i
stumbled across that that's a gold mine because any story that's been covered up
any story that you you suspect foul play in the reporting or in the mainstream
kind of narrative the first thing you have to do is hone in on what are the
documented primary source facts yes that we can read and understand and see and
hear and so then i just started sifting through and i started watching body
camps and i started listening to 911 calls and i started re-piecing it together
for myself because i found there's a number of really great reporters that i'll
credit throughout here like john cullen and jason goodman and mindy robinson and
um and yourself you did some on it too um alex jones did some on it i got
nothing but it didn't smell right well you at least spoke up you at least were
someone that was in that mainstream media space that was not buying it because
it was just it stank and so there's all these people that have made media that
synthesizes it and made media that speculates and takes it much much further
especially into the saudi angle that we'll talk about um but for me i was like i
need to start with understanding the information and see if i can arrive at a
similar factual understanding of like when i look at the original evidence
without these narratives on it do i arrive at a similar conclusion and
immediately it's it only takes you like five clicks on random pieces of evidence
on that map to realize that it's clearly not a lone gunman in the mandalay bay
because how would i have this massive cluster of 911 calls coming from the
bellagio which is like i don't know like half a mile to a mile up the strip it's
like a giant block and a half if you've ever been to vegas it's vegas is a crazy
place of gigantic monolithic buildings of sin that it stretches on and on and on
and the bellagio is way up on the northern end of the strip and the mandalay bay
is the southernmost building and most of these calls come in an hour and more
after paddock has allegedly killed himself and we're talking like people that
work there we're talking security guards we're talking uh victims people
alleging that they've seen the shooter describing the shooter and it happens in
multiple waves and then a lot of them are clustered around for example those
nine body cams that capture audio of multiple bursts of automatic fire while
we're getting 9-1-1 calls from the bellagio saying that there's active shooters
at the bellagio while the police dispatcher is saying we've got a shooter at the
bellagio so when you dig into this primary source evidence you very quickly
realized that this is not just paddock it's not a lone gunman and so once i
familiarized myself with that then i expanded out to like okay so then what did
the people that did all this work what did they conclude what was their
understanding of this evidence and where did they take a possible explanation
and that's where it gets really interesting and we don't know for sure but uh
but i think there's actually a pretty a pretty solid lead um and whatever it is
it's still at play in the modern the modern information space um because anytime
you have one of these shootings or you know false flag events or anything that
gets covered up on this scale right if you buy the mainstream narrative all bets
are off you know there's no facts there there's no understanding of reality
there if you buy the mainstream narrative about 9-11 you have no level of
understanding of even how many buildings fell or why they felt like let alone
who could have you know brought these towers down the way they came down who
could have you know guarded these hijackers the way that they were guarded all
the way there funded it etc but um once you you realize that the mainstream
narrative on one of these events is for sure not the whole story then you
actually open up to a whole world of uh and almost any explanation is possible
right it's if it's a shooting and you don't even know who perpetrated it you
don't even know how many shooters there were you don't even really know what
guns were used and there's no forthcoming information of the authorities well
then journalists have a monumental task ahead of them right to a uncover the
evidence and b try to fit any possible motive and perpetrator to the crime and i
think that's the most interesting question in the las vegas one in my mind is
who has the motive to do such a horrible thing right because um well it depends
what the goal was exactly like why are we doing this because if it's lone gunman
paddock i mean a he can't do the things that we actually have evidence happened
but like even if it's just a lone gunman why are you shooting down into a crowd
of people even even a crazed shooter has a motive and you can trace that through
their life but when you realize that well no that's not all that happened i mean
there was spraying of bullets down into this crowd but then there was shootings
happening at all these other hotels at least at some of them even if some of
these reports are fake they can't all be fake and then there's things happening
at the airport that are that are strange that there's some shooting happening
happening at the airport so it's like are we is this a gang war between like the
italian mob and the jewish mob is this a is this a cia operation that went wrong
is it's like a jason born movie that then they're covering up the tracks of like
jason born's like killing spree is this like a massad like operation and any of
those things would need to fit the facts right and you can kind of try to like
in lieu of enough facts you can always try to fit you know the right you can try
to fit a perpetrator to the facts and sort of invent explanations that will work
but when the crime for for me what kind of kept sticking in my mind is how
heinous the crime against these festival goers was that just did not seem to
match the other stuff that was happening that night that was that because we
don't have random women like shot in the face in the tropicana and in new york
new york and in the bellagio at least we don't know of that if that happened it
was all covered up there was shooting reported in all those places all these
other hotels all down the strip at the airport and everything and there are
victims that are dead in other places mostly there's like over near the airport
and kind of in a few hotels kind of in the direction of the airport coupled down
by the tropicana who are dead yeah it's and you have to sort through it really
sift through it really carefully because some of them it could have i think were
were confirmed to be festival goers that were hit and injured and escaping and
then died of their injuries further out and so uh they can be represented as
having died like you know over there when technically they were shot at the
festival but not all of them um and even at the festival um there's most of the
deaths happened right in the middle of the festival grounds but there's a
cluster of uh about six bodies that died at the far north eastern side of the
festival grounds so the opposite side of the mandalay bay where the shooter
allegedly was and they were across a barrier they were on the other side of a
barrier that obscured line of sight so they were not visible to the mandalay bay
and there's a cluster of four of them along a fence line there and then two in a
parking lot like right next door that died right there that very much looked
like they were shot right there not that they escaped and that would that be for
it he was shooting 223 primarily but also 308 yeah they had multiple calibers in
the room would that be out of range for the gun hey i'm not the gun guy but it
certainly is there's there's no world where that's the shots that were taken
some of the some of the rifles he allegedly shot with didn't even have scopes on
them he had he had rifles that did have scopes but he also had rifles that
didn't have scopes and he had rifles that had bump stocks and he had some rifles
that didn't have bump stocks and they allege the official story is that he
switched back and forth between different rifles and some of them he reloaded
and some of them he didn't and some of them had scopes and some of them didn't
and he fired some of the ones that didn't have scopes at this massive range down
into this crowd um and we have a video from a police body cam right after the
shooting walking through this crowd with all this tragedy around them and he's
talking to someone whether it's a medic or i'm not sure exactly who he's talking
to but they're commenting back and forth in a conversation about how many direct
like center headshots there are how many people like seem to have been executed
and the people in the crowd almost all of them believe that there were shooters
on the ground that there were shooters coming into the into the event venue from
the entrances and shooting into the crowd from the ground and then journalists
picked up on this and started researching it and i believe john cullen did a lot
of work on getting the autopsy data actually released and then analyzing and
realizing that a bunch of these people were shot at parallel to ground
trajectories meaning that the shooter would have to be on the ground because if
you're up in a hotel balcony like in a hotel window at the 32nd floor the
bullets will hit the ground they'll be coming down and there are a lot of people
that were shot at that angle and we'll talk about helicopters in a second but
there are a number of people that were shot parallel to the ground and it's like
were they all bullets that ricocheted off the ground and then like you know then
went off and hit someone at a near parallel to ground angle i doubt it then
there was autopsies found where people were shot directly down from above like
straight down through them um and so as researchers started to pull on these
various threads like through the top of the head like through like from the air
above them and it didn't take like it didn't take until those autopsies came out
it was the very first day that people were already alleging that they believe
there was helicopters shooting at them and there's helicopters in the videos you
can see the helicopters in the videos and the witnesses talk about helicopters
having been there in the air and a lot of them say that they suspect the
helicopters were shooting that they felt like the helicopters were shooting at
them but then when you read the official story the police reports no mention of
helicopters at all none of that at all it's just the lone gunman and then when
you look at the flight radar data from that night there are a lot of suspicious
helicopters that take off and land from and at the two helicopter operators in
the airport there um sundance and uh uh i'm blanking on the one that maverick
sundance and maverick but there's also helicopters john cullen do you know who
john cullen is john cullen yeah we're gonna we're gonna reference john cullen's
work a lot tonight because he's this like like deeply autistic type of
researcher that just has a youtube channel that very few people have ever heard
of yeah but he's the sheriff with like the glasses right and he's like a very
funny guy but he just like went after this story for years and years and he's
he's the type of detail-oriented person that just that that would get the
baseline like i'll watch every sunday's flight patterns for six weeks so i can
get the baseline and then i'll track every single flight that went out this
night so that i can understand what's in the air and then i'll look at every
single footage and oriented on the map and get the get the lay with the time and
then i'll know that like i know if i'm seeing a flight that's on the flight
patterns or if it's this thing in the air that we're seeing in this footage is
not documented and and he went through all this work extensively to very
thoroughly prove that there are many birds in the air that night that are not on
the flight radar at all and they seem to have flashing coming from them um they
they very much seem to be involved in what's going on and so there's a lot of
videos that are on that map i was referring to that as you watch some of them
are body cam and some of them are cell phone videos and you can see these
helicopters flying around behind the mandalay bay and back around and around
behind the mandalay bay and back around and you can see little flashes coming
peppering kind of the night sky from in between the two hotels that are clearly
out in the sky as though there was gunfire coming from an airborne craft of some
sort and so that got a lot of people thinking of who would that be and how would
that happen and how would you get helicopters into one of the most busy
metropolitan air spaces in the world that's like this is an extremely surveilled
place um i mean not to mention the surveillance that we should have of all of
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woods of maine i have just three dog commands and then as i direct the dogs find
the bird find the bird and then dead bird obviously which i don't use as much as
i'd like to we cast for steelhead on the deschutes river in oregon that's the
first one i've caught in a while track mule deer in the utah high country spear
fish in the waters off montauk chasing striped bass and bluefin tuna see you on
the other side it's called american game tales from the wild outdoor series
watch it at tucker carlson.com a real vegas like leads the world for cctv
doesn't yeah and so none of that ever came out none of it ever came out so we
have so here's the thing which you know more about than me mgm owns like you
know 80 of the strip or whatever i'm exaggerating i think but it's mgm owns a
huge number of these casinos that are not named mgm and there is footage of this
occurring in one instance but there's testimony of it happening left and right
of a hotel employee that was working that night that was told that was basically
forced to sign an nda that says you're not allowed to talk about what happened
last night nothing happened last night your lips are sealed and it very much was
a blanket gag order on all employees of these hotels none of the hotels gave out
any footage they all just locked everything down um and they even fought the
police on the story to make the story become something that would not make them
look bad and an example of that is the security guy that i was saying got shot
at that we're going to come back to yes uh i remember this yeah uh jesus campos
jose yes right jose camp jose campos so he the first version of his story was
that he came up the door was bolted he went down he came up the elevator and
then it was after the shooting had ended he gets shot at through this door um
and then escapes then that didn't really like square for whatever reason and the
police changed the story to like oh no actually that was three minutes before
the shooting started that he got shot at through the door so that must have been
why steven paddock went crazy all at once is because he realized he was running
out of time yes yes they're like that's cool that's our narrative that's going
to work but then mgm was like well f you because that makes us look like idiots
right because then what are we talking what are we doing here like then we would
have had advanced notice if our security guy got shot at three minutes before
the shooting started we didn't do any response so like that's not going to work
and so mgm actually got mad at the police and the police changed their story
again to be no actually jose campos got shot at about 40 seconds after the
shooting started during the shooting volleys is when they that's the third and
final version of the official story of jose campos and jose campos put out a
statement that was something like i do not contest that statement that was like
his official statement very much canned and then just like poof he was gone
obviously wait didn't he wind up in mexico yeah there was a thing where he was
going to test his car to mexico yeah so i think it was that he was going to do a
bunch of news stories and he was kind of like lined up for a bunch of news hits
and then he just like actually he went to mexico who knows but then he got
brought back and did ellen that's what it was right yeah and he got brought back
to do ellen ellen was sponsored by the casinos because you had all the slot
machines right so he did one ellen interview where ellen fed him all of his
lines and then he disappeared and that became the narrative for him has he ever
emerged to tell his story not that i know of um and to be fair i haven't done
enough digging into his story yet there's i mean to be fair i still i feel like
i could spend another year digging into this and i still would only be
approaching the kind of expertise that some of these other guys have about it
because they did devote years and years and years to this um and there's just so
much to learn and to look at because it's such a crazy event with so many pieces
of evidence and and campos is this one really interesting one that exposes a lot
of elements of what was going on here in that you had the hotel the hotel's
interests in the reputation their money whatever was going on you have the way
that hotel employees were a part of this thing but then had to you know
represent after the thing you have the police narrative involved in his story
and you have a really important detail it just in that like a let's think it
through if the sounds that we all hear in those videos this like is happening
inside of that hotel room and you can hear it all across the las vegas strip
it's like these are deafening sounds obviously if jose is in the hallway right
outside of that door you damn well better believe he remembers if that was
happening when he got shot yeah someone's open opens up with automatic weapons
it it resonates yeah it's not like campos doesn't remember thought there were
fireworks it's not like he changed his story because he didn't know if there was
this cacophony of automatic gunfire happening across the door obviously that is
a shifting narrative to meet various needs of whatever the narrative builders
need um but the the nature of him getting shot through that door is interesting
once you start to put away the mainstream narrative and just look at all the
information as it is and try to figure out what the hell was this and what went
on here and we'll have to kind of rewind at the beginning to unpack that because
there's a lot of facts that we haven't even talked about yet that become very
important but trying to figure out what happened with him and why he got shot
through the door at that moment and maybe even when he did get shot through the
door that's interesting because it involves the fact that there was cameras
rigged up outside the door facing into the hallway to surveil the hallway for
whatever to protect whatever was happening inside the room they weren't
recording video but they were live you know what i mean so so whoever was
watching their feeds could see the other side could see the hallway and so as a
security guard approaches this door whenever he approached it um i mean based
upon the fact that the first testimony was that it was not when gunfire was
happening actively i would assume that he approached the door when there was no
automatic gunfire happening actively um but i don't know but whoever's in the
room doing whatever they're doing and it was guaranteed it was definitely more
than one person and we can talk about the door locks in a minute they see a
security guard on these cameras and their response is to shoot a round of fire
through the doorway at him to get him to go away um or to kill him you know
whatever and that's really weird that's really interesting because obviously it
implies that whatever's happening in the room you need him to not come in you
need him to not knock obviously so obviously there's something happening in the
room that needs to be finished before the heat comes but like we have pretty
strong evidence at this point that paddock was dead by then paddock was not a
part of this and whatever was happening in the room it's like what was happening
in the room what were you doing that needed to be finished before the heat came
to that room because they had taken the time to put this tiny little l bracket
this little metal l bracket on the stairwell door so people couldn't come up the
stairs onto the floor right next to their room but it was like a little home
depot thing it was not the kind of thing you need the swat team to bust down um
and they'd rigged up these cameras and so then it's like like okay your your
brain if you don't take the narrative the mainstream narrative at all it's like
what what is this is like a heist is this like a casino heist or something um
which is not what i think it was but it's just if you start to ask like what
could that be that's happening in that room is it's like oceans 11 and they need
to like protect part of their heist or something until they get away with the
jewels it's like maybe that starts to explain a piece of this but that's what i
mean by like when you look at the original evidence and you try to square it
with like an explanation that fits it all it starts to get pretty fascinating
and pretty weird and in order to do that we have to rewind past campos back to
the start because we know for a fact that paddock wasn't alone in that room and
we know for almost complete certain fact that he was dead before any of this
even happened any of the shooting yeah before any of the shooting happened and
just to kind of we do our whistle on that yeah yeah yeah and we don't know it
for fact fact fact but the actual official photo of of um paddock dead in the
room like overhead looking down at him with the blood stain yes there's very
clearly two blood stains it's very clearly a dry blood stain that's been like
dried into the carpet that is one color and then a fresh like glistening red
blood stain that is much smaller and fresher and redder over top of it and
there's blood on his chest in that photo for some reason although if you commit
suicide shoot yourself in the head there's no reason why you would have a giant
singular blood stain on your chest no um and and so really quickly while we're
in this room here at that moment let's unpack some of the other things that very
much just debunk this regular narrative that are hard evidence that you can view
for yourself the swat team that they're waiting for to breach his room they
never came um although las vegas has one of the largest swat teams in america
one of the largest teams in the world they never came the actual team that
breached his room we have one body cam that shows it and they put out a report
saying who was in the the breaching party it was one swat officer i think it was
two canine officers whose dogs they left back in the cars and then a bunch of
other police officers that just kind of like hodgepodge in there and that
becomes very important later when you start to ask where the fuck were the swat
officers what were the swat doing because they were doing something but they
didn't they they the story is that they're waiting for the swat team and the
mainstream media at first tried to run with like this crazy cnn actually has a
clip that i can give to you where the next day or two days later cnn is like
tells a fantasy about how the swat team busted down the door and paddock tried
to fight his way through them and they had a gun battle and paddock shot one of
the swat guys in the leg what and almost and he got out into the hall before
they neutralized him yeah they just like literally made up fantasy on cnn live
and we have the recording i'll give it to you and and obviously that none of
that happened at all and we know now from eventual release of files documents
and you know a body cam that it was only one swat guy and all these other police
officers and so we have this body cam from officer bits go that they had to
fight to get released and we only have one because they told everyone to turn
their body cams off and that happened multiple times throughout the night and
i've got the clips that i can share them with you um and they are on that map
that i was telling people about so other people can go and find them for
themselves too where like a bunch of officers are like around about to do
something and there's a couple instances throughout the night where this happens
where then they kind of are like all right body cams off body cams off body cams
off and they're all going around and turning off their body cams and for
whatever reason i'm not sure if we ever found out why it's possible we did bits
go didn't turn his off so officer bits goes body cam he's one of the canine
officers that does exist and we do have body cam footage of the breach and they
breached the door and one of them accidentally shoots three rounds like just
like they're just tripping out um even though the official story is like paddock
wasn't alive he was already dead on the ground he had been dead there for an
hour um there's no reason to shoot his rifle but they were just hyped up i guess
so they breached the door three rounds go off really fast which is kind of a
nothing and then they enter the room and when they enter the room they're
looking for the window where this guy's shot out of and you can watch it on the
body cam and they go to the windows and they pull the curtains back and like
nope i have no broken window no it's not broken no no window and they pull the
other curtains back and they're looking and they all are like there's no broken
window there's no no window and they're standing right so we have crime scene
photos showing the floor with the hammer that he allegedly used to break this
window open because las vegas has like crazy glass that you can't just break so
he allegedly brought this special hammer that'll break that glass and we have a
photo of that hammer with broken glass all over the floor with just shell
casings shell casings shell casings just all because there's a thousand fucking
shell casings in this room at this point plus four thousand unspent rounds that
he just got bored and didn't want to shoot and just checked out so in the photo
we see the the ground next to the curtain of the window with the hammer with all
this broken glass and all these shell casings but in the body cam footage of
them going into his room when that photo should already it should already be
exactly like the photo shows us they can't find the window and they're not
stepping on any broken glass or any shell casings at all they're looking for it
they can't find it and there's like six officers looking for this window how
long did it take for that body cam footage to come out after the shooting you
know i don't know exactly but i believe it was months and months and months it
might have been a year or more i think that's right right because it was never
supposed to come out it was never even supposed to but all coverage as you said
at the very outset all coverage of the shooting had just died and yeah it's
never spoke yeah it lasted like four or five days and there's you can see graphs
people have kind of charted the number of stories about and it's just like
everyone's talking about it for two days and then just gone completely gone and
then youtube started putting started banning accounts for talking about it uh
come on all the different social media agencies started banning accounts for it
yeah and i have screenshots of on what things that are because um well the
grounds was spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and misinformation um but
there had happened to have been a active shooter drill that was done in the area
like the week before or something like that the day before i think it was the
day before and so they've been recruiting crisis actors for this active shooter
drill that was being run in the area which you know if you learn enough about
these kinds of events you realize that drills are a huge red flag but i believe
what what was done is that then they accused these conspiracy theorists of
basically doing the sandy hook thing and they they straw manned the the
journalism that was happening to say you're claiming that no one died and that's
so evil because you're saying that they're all crisis actors and so we're gonna
ban you and that's not what anyone was saying no one was saying that no one died
no one was saying that it was all crisis actors but they sort of finagled the
one thing into the other thing into the other thing to say well there was an
active shooter drill so it was all legit and you're all saying it was fake which
they weren't and so you're banned and so a bunch of channels got taken down a
bunch of journalists got got uh banned off of platforms um and they did their
best to shut it all down but people didn't stop people just kept digging and
that is crazy yeah so they they breach they can't find the window about a minute
later they breached the other room and this is another impossibility with the
official story paddock rents these two suites one is like the master suite on
the because the those towers they're kind of like these three pronged towers and
you can rent the suite that's at the end of the tower where you have like the
the 180 degree windows of the whole end of the the tower and he rents the one
facing out towards this um event but he also rented well it's not exactly facing
towards like next to then he also rented the room right next door and he had
they're adjoining and so there's a door that connects the two and the official
story is that the windows in both rooms were broken out and that he was shooting
through the one room with his bolt action rifle to try to blow up the fuel tanks
over at the airport and he failed to do so but he he was in the other room
shooting his bolt action rifle then he was running back to the other room with
his ars and rapid fire bump stocking with his bump stock that never jammed um
that's the official story but then the police get in there and the side room is
bolted from the other side and he's the only one that's there there's no one and
the way they say that is because his room was bolted from the inside the side
room but but the side room was also bolted and they had to breach it with
explosive breaching charges and it's on you can see it on camera and so so he
was magic is what you're saying he was magic right because you can't bolt your
side room from the other side while you're in a mass shooting spree and then
wind up in your room and shoot yourself in the head you can't do it and so
there's all these little things that physics intervenes exactly that physics and
and just reality intervenes once the evidence started to come out and they've
never really acknowledged any of that that's all just kind of never acknowledged
it no i mean how could you there's no acknowledging to be done yeah and by the
way by then lombardo was busy being chief of police in lahaina if i'm not
mistaken you're not mistaken right yeah so he was at his next important job
where is he now i don't know that's a good question someone should track him
down and maybe move far away from him but so that's the room and just the room
just the footage of that just that is enough to say it's all it's all horseshit
and you have to go back to square one and start over with what actually did
happen and no one who put out that story no official in charge either clark
county sheriffs lvmpd fbi no one has ever explained how stephen paddock could
have locked himself out to my knowledge of his adjoining suite yep but they also
they also don't explain how the locks appear to have been tampered with there's
a whole bunch of weird lots so someone i forget his name i have him sourced in
my in my notes um he got the door logs from the hotel i don't know if he had a
source at the hotel or something but he got the official because the las vegas
is surveils everything and they have logs of the dock of the locks of every
single room of when it's when it's closed when it's open whether it was open
from the inside or the outside the deadbolt status and they have the time
recorded and everything and there's there's a shot heard by a witness earlier in
the day at like three in the afternoon 3 30 in the afternoon which is kind of
maybe related but it's sort of a different story but then throughout the day
there in the afternoon the deadbolt start doing really weird things where it's
like open close open close open close and then at one point it um what does it
do the door is open from the inside logged and then the next log is deadbolt
unlocked meaning that after some weird deadbolt stuff has been happening then at
a certain point it displays something that's physically impossible which is that
the door was opened before it was unlocked and then it was unlocked which would
imply based upon this is what other researchers you know kind of gathered at the
time and i would agree based on what i've seen of the evidence that they pulled
out is that that means that you have just hacked the key card system so that you
can maybe remotely be unlocking and locking these doors or you have some sort of
altered access to these rooms and that would start to explain how the locks
could be locked from the inside with no one in there right because if you throw
away the garbage steven paddock story you still have to explain how you wound up
with two suites with a dead man inside with the bolts locked from the inside and
no broken windows on either side yeah on either side well actually that's that's
a i believe we aren't entirely clear because we have some helicopter footage we
have some body cam footage and we have this bullshit narrative i believe that
the window in the other suite was broken out um and i think that we have that on
the helicopter footage and i think you can kind of see it like it's a little
hard to make it out and like some of the photos taken from the ground that night
but there are some hd photos where you can kind of make out that it looks like
there is kind of a broken window in the other room but it's paddock's room where
the majority of the gunfire allegedly came from that's where you see this police
entrance where they can't find the window that's broken out and all that so so i
guess the picture that emerges is one in which the facts not only don't support
the narrative the story but they're like completely at odds it's not a close
call it's not like oh did i see someone in the grassy knoll i'm not sure let's
look at the it's not like butler where you have to get you know 10 miles totally
reporting to be like wait what is with these cell phones just transparently
fraudulent yeah like right in the in the original video evidence you can see the
helicopters in the original footage that people put out from their cell phones
you can hear in the original evidence that was all over the internet that night
you can just hear the gunfire and know that it's not ars with bump stocks it's
just not right and then you can obviously hear all the testimony from all the
people of all of these other things that happened that night that are complete
lies they're all made up it's all just it's just people hearing echoes two hours
later why wouldn't so this is why i went out to las vegas twice in 2017 but then
just got caught up in life always more stories right yeah or short attention
span it's i'm not making excuses but um but i didn't realize that the corpus of
counter evidence was so enormous it certainly merits an fbi investigation it
certainly does but here's the thing is i think they know everything that
happened what but was there ever an official fbi investigation um well yeah uh
it depends on how you define it the fbi was involved in the original
investigation and i believe that the fbi did rule on you know a certain element
of this and then the lvmpd put out their own report as well and they put out a
behavioral analysis of paddock uh like a year later or something like that um
and i remember his well two things but there but the fbi signed off on the
totally absurd official conclusion yeah they did okay i believe so and b his
brother i remember got busted for kiddie porn yeah i don't actually know much
about that i don't either but i just having lived in dc my whole life i
associate it was it was a while after the fact right yeah and it's like a joke
in washington the kitty i mean kitty porn is disgusting and i couldn't be more
opposed to i hate pornography in general but kitty porn specifically has a
reputation in dc not among ignorant people but among people who pay attention as
like the hallmark of a of a manufacturer's story like oh he got arrested for
kitty porn he can't talk or whatever and as soon as i heard that i was like
george zinn at very much like george zinn assassination so people are laughing
about that who i know oh of course the guy's busted for kitty porn yeah of
course shut him up get him away from the i'm not look i have no specific
evidence about george zinn or about steven paddock's brother but that is a very
well known it's a joke it's a cliche yep and especially when it's just so
coincidental that it's like yeah there are sickos out there but is it just is is
it always that the you know brother or associated the witness are they always
the ones are they they're always in the kitty porn um and you can't you can't
talk to them but it's so you kind of bring us back to an interesting place here
where once you throw the narrative out you're like all right where do you even
start with this and for me where you start is steven paddock is like who is this
guy yes who is he really and uh i need to do even more in this there's when back
when i got into this story there was just a million directions and i didn't go
far enough down them and i was doing that again more recently a little bit um
because who is steven paddock right and why the fuck did he would he even have
been there because it's it is factual that he did have all these guns in the
room it is factual that he did rent the room and he was there and and there's
you know the the picture emerges a little more when you look into his backstory
um which is the basics is that he was 60 ish years old at this point and back in
like the 80s into like the late 80s he had worked at a defense contractor that
was a predecessor to i believe it was lockheed martin um and it's not like he
was like you know some commando shooting guns as far as i'm aware i think he was
you know in some sort of office element of this defense contractor um and then
he i i don't know i forget if he hopped directly into uh real estate i think he
had one sort of like intermediary where he was doing uh not sales but he was
still kind of like adjacent to the defense industry kind of end of the 80s and
then he got into real estate um and then allegedly he developed a gambling
problem and so he had you know a net worth of several million dollars allegedly
but then he allegedly gambled it down over time uh there's a lot of dispute over
whether he was making lots of money gambling or not but um i remember that yeah
right but but that little detail about him having worked in the defense industry
in the past and then going into like the the nondescript real estate is like
that's not suspicious on its face you know lots of people change careers over
time but it is a little interesting that a guy that used to work and i don't
have any proof of what i'm about to say this is just kind of conjecture based
upon that but it's interesting that a guy that used to work in the defense
contracting industry is back in kind of his prime years like you know in his 30s
sort of um then he goes into sort of a nondescript industry where your income
can be fluid and things you know you can kind of be traveling you can be in
property all these things and then he winds up at what what looks like an awful
lot like a kind of deep statey sort of an arms deal sort of thing an arms deal
that's involved in this absolute mass shooting um that does give me pause and
question of like was he a private citizen that was stock because we'll get into
the evidence that he thought he was doing an arms sale in a little bit but i
believe that he thought he was going to sell those guns and i think that's why
he had them all there um and that comes down to the three women that were on the
room with him but the moment that you realize that you're being lied to about
him being the shooter you need an explanation for why the hell is he there with
all these fucking guns because you know like i don't i've been to vegas and i
didn't bring you know a whole arsenal of weapons with me and a whole arsenal of
loaded magazines as well right i mean you don't bring you know six rifles to go
deer hunting or yeah anyway any how many rifles did he have uh i believe it was
25 right well it was what was it was 25 weapons in the room i believe was the
final count might have been 24 in the room um and he had one revolver and one
bolt action rifle and then all the rest were ar platforms um and then he also
had a whole bunch of weapons at his other two houses as well he had like 25
other guns at his other houses uh and he just bought a bunch for this and he was
knowledgeable about guns i remember that yeah yeah exactly so who are the three
women and why do we think he was planning to sell them well at first they didn't
exist um but then investigative journalists dug and dug and dug and they found
out that there were three other women on the hotel reservation officially their
their names were on the hotel reservation the hotel knew they were there and i
believe that they were checked into the side suite basically is my assumption um
i don't know if that was proven or not but the side suite was booked with steven
paddock's girlfriend's credit card mary lou danley um and these three women i
have their names written down we know their first names because it was their
first names were said i believe it was on one of the police body cameras that
was eventually released during the night but we don't know their last names they
uh witnesses described having allegedly seen him gambling that day or the day
before with women that looked to be uh of hispanic descent or like central south
american descent and so their names kind of match maybe they were some sort of
latina um women he had tannerite in his car is a key piece of this he had 50
pounds of tannerite in his car which is usually used when you want to make
things go boom not like i'm gonna blow up a building but like we're gonna go
shoot in the desert totally have a great time 50 pounds is a lot of talent it's
a lot of tannerite so tannerite is but he also had a lot of guns ammonium
nitrate yeah and you can buy it in gun stores and it detonates not with fire but
with velocity with force and uh so you hit it with a with a rifle round and it
explodes and it's powerful and 50 pounds is enough to take your house out yeah
and so we don't really know why he had that or what he was doing with it but my
understanding is that tannerite can be used for lots of things but it is often
used to like stage like a fun gun shooting moment like i've never seen it used
for anything other than that yeah right and it's it's dangerous i mean for sure
absolutely i've had some problems with it yeah it's definitely powerful yeah and
so um the tannerite a lot of people speculated um and i tend to defer to their
speculation about it because i have never shot tannerite i don't know about it
um people speculated that given these multiple kind of um points of information
is that maybe one line of reasoning would be that he thought he was selling a
bunch of weapons to someone rich this is not something that's fact-based like we
know for sure but we do know that three women first name only that we're not
supposed to talk about were registered to this room as well and we do know that
he had the room full of guns and we do know that he didn't do the shooting um at
least i feel pretty confident that i know that and so then it's like well why
the hell would you have a room full of guns and it is not uncommon to sell guns
in las vegas um i mean go to shot show right and so one possible explanation
that might start to put some of those pieces into place is maybe he met some
beautiful girls that knew a guy something along those lines that was like hey i
know this really rich guy that wants to buy some guns and you know guns right
maybe he got honey potted maybe it was some sort of operation targeting him to
recruit him for this thing um because you know you don't have to just explain it
from steven paddock's brain of like why is this maybe arm sale happening but you
have to explain it from like the big picture explanation of why did whatever
organization orchestrated all of this why did they get steven paddock into that
room to do that thing right i lean towards speculatively that he was probably
selected as a patsy for being some like you know kind of vulnerable unimportant
guy that was you know down on his luck a little bit maybe and wanted to make
some money selling guns who maybe he was more involved maybe he had some
intelligence connections i don't know but i suspect that he was basically
recruited by some hot girls to sell some guns to someone rich or something along
those general lines and so he's bringing all these guns to vegas or he's you
know stocking his room with all these guns to go out and shoot in the desert the
next day maybe um he didn't bring the tannerite up to his room he left the
tannerite in the car but you if you went to vegas you probably wouldn't leave an
arsenal of guns in your car no you would want those secured in your room um and
he has all these magazines loaded right all these magazines are loaded and that
would make sense if he's trying to do a mass shooting but the moment that you
realize that the evidence just does not support him doing the mass shooting then
it's like well why are the magazines all loaded why is this arsenal here ready
like this and if you were going to go shoot in the desert that would be a thing
you would do is you would load a bunch of magazines um so hard as we don't know
exactly why those pieces fit together but that's one of the most common theories
is that these three women that were on the room with him um in the side suite
probably that they probably had some sort of middleman connection because how do
we see any motive i mean did the authorities ever give us a hint of a motive
because to murder strangers no they objectively said we have no idea what the
motive was they said that out yeah exactly they they and you can watch um our
favorite sheriff he has a couple different versions of the quote of like we
figured out the what the when the where the who the one thing we don't know is
the why but the why is the one thing that matters exactly and that's so often a
theme that runs through these things and when there is a clearly articulated
motive as in a manifesto sometimes it's suppressed it's like i mean osama bin
laden's manifesto was suppressed it's still being it's still being even though
it went viral on tiktok recently right so i do think it's essential to know what
he used a weapon of course he did he killed people i know but why i've got a
million weapons i would never kill anybody so what's the difference between me
and him that's that's the thing you need to know you bring up osama bin laden
right as it's a good time to start talking about the saudi angle on this thing
okay which is super interesting um because you're right the why for stephen
paddock is non-existent and that's the official narrative is that there's no
idea why can i just give the context to the political context this is less than
a year after trump's election yeah this is a jason aldean concert these are
trump voters yep jason aldean is not a political activist but he's open about
his politics and they're trump aligned he's also a great guy yeah i will say but
um so these are trump voters who get killed at the time less than you're after
trump's election all anyone's talking about is trump people are extremely
exercised about it so it's hard to ignore that kind of i think it's impossible
to ignore it um but and here's where we get into these like there's different
theories and and they all hold certain amounts of weight and merit but most of
them sort of have a hole in that they explain this piece but none of that pieces
they explain this thing but not that right and so one possible narrative is it's
like a government false flag to get gun control right just like do a mass
shooting construct some mass shooting incident and then more gun control and
there's a similar compelling kind of a concept of more mass surveillance and
vegas is a really compelling place to put you know experimental mass
surveillance technology because you get the whole world comes to vegas you get
all sorts of different uh genetic like compositions of people that flood in and
it's all private property where you can kind of do your thing and so two
parallel storylines of like kind of a false flag to bring in more more of the
gun control or more of the surveillance or both and that would be a reasonable
can i just ask just ask you for a second just i thought about this at the time
trying to think through what is this and the gun gun control is almost always
the first thing yeah democrats call for when there's a mass shooting they
leverage the death of other people for a policy aim of course always famously
sandy hook and the rest they didn't do it that much after this oh they shut the
hell up real exactly and i noticed that at the time real fast yeah they did try
to bring in more mass surveillance technology in las vegas they brought in more
like body scanners and stuff they tried to do this big new techno thing in vegas
i didn't even but it basically failed because no one's gonna walk through the
airport scanner like they actually installed some of these like lido scanners in
vegas the following years but like no one's gonna walk through that every time
they're trying to get into their hotel or go to the casino floor and all this
shit it's like that's just not good for business so ultimately that that
initiative basically backfired at least in those big overt measures but i don't
know what kind of increased biometric scanning and cameras and surveillance
technology kind of got sold to all those casinos after the fact um we we know
that las vegas is one of the most surveilled places on the planet and it was
that night too despite the fact that we have none of the footage we have none of
that surveillance but um but that's where it's like certain p like it would make
sense to be like if you're a conspiracy theorist is like oh it's a gun control
false flag but then they're not going to push the gun control and furthermore
why are you going to false flag like attack all the concert goers and then have
this further engaged conflict of multiple suspected gunmen all across the las
vegas strip over at the airport mysterious helicopters that we know are up there
it's like it doesn't explain any of that no it's at all right you would just
literally if it was about gun control you would actually just have a stephen
paddock type character get a rifle and walk into the crowd and start shooting
all right so that's where it's like okay we need to square all these weird
pieces and how do we square all of these weird pieces and so you might think
about things like a heist gone wrong or this gone like a lot of the other
versions that are more like uh you know the average person might come up with
them um because you kind of see movies right and and if you kind of just like
glance at all the evidence you might be like oh it's like if oceans 11 got
really messed up in real life but it's not because in oceans 11 there's no
reason to murder 60 concert goers with automatic gunfire probably coming from
helicopters that would never be a part of a heist like you would never do that
and furthermore how would you convince any american no matter how slimy like how
would you even convince like hillary clinton and anthony wiener if they got into
the helicopter together like are they gonna shoot like automatic gunfire into 60
civilians out of the helicopter like probably not let's be real like i know we
don't like them but but like you need to square that's a big step who the hell
would shoot all of these concert goers and how do you square the concert
shooting with whatever else was happening and this is where i stumbled across
the work largely of john cullen and jason goodman got big into this as well and
a bunch of other people did too mindy robinson mentioned a bit in her
documentary and many many more that i'm that i'm not mentioning right now um but
john and jason they really dug into this for a long time for many many years and
they teased out this narrative over time and when i first stumbled across it i
didn't have the depth of understanding or the uh the context of political
awareness and intel agency kind of history to really understand what they meant
and so i heard it as like the baseline and we'll tease this out a fair bit i
think but the baseline of the theory is like mohammed bin salman the crown
prince of saudi arabia is in vegas for you know the night um or whatever and
he's staying at his uh cousin's hotel which is the upper floors of the mandalay
bay the four seasons uh al-waleed bin talal was owned 45 of that hotel chain at
the time and so he's like staying in the hotel and so it was an assassination
attempt on him and there's we'll we'll dig this out a lot uh to try to
understand what we do and don't know about it and let people make their own
minds but the first encountering of it when i thought about it i was like so
that would explain an assassination attempt on someone like bin salman might
explain all this gunfire across the strip where there's like an evacuation
happening and there's operatives running around and there's like two because all
those shootings and all these hotels where there's no civilian victims really to
note that to me implies two armed forces fighting each other you know what i
mean just like basic logic is if you have a bunch of gunfire going off all
across a city and no civilians are getting shot then it's because you have
people with guns shooting at people with guns um i would assume and and so it's
like okay that explains maybe that kind of stuff maybe it explains the airport
stuff maybe it explains like an evacuation explains helicopters like turning off
their transponders and hovering over over the mandalay bay which we saw them do
um and didn't see them do so to speak so it explains a lot of these pieces but
it's like but how does that explain shooting up the concert it's like at first
it was like are they shooting up the concert to create like to trigger his
evacuation protocol that doesn't make sense like i don't get it and it's because
i didn't understand the historical context of saudi arabia and of wahhabism and
of al-qaeda and of the power struggle that had been raging in saudi arabia for
years at that point um and had really intensified right at that moment and i
still don't understand it because it's so freaking complicated um but once you
look at saudi arabia and their history their royal structure their political
structure and the political seismic shift that has happened around the solomon
line right now that piece starts to click into place because when you look at
something so horrid as the las vegas shooting who is going to shoot like 20 year
old girls in the face with just reckless abandon like that that is like the
definition of a terrorist attack and so if you don't know anything about the the
incident how do you even come up with a perpetrator that could ever bring
themselves to do such a thing yeah it's like is it north korea is it russia is
it iran is it you know who hates american people that much the american brain
can only explain that by attributing it to a crazed lone gunman which is by
mental illness or something but the american brain cannot fathom any organized
group exactly of people doing something and certainly not like our own like you
can be the craziest conspiracy theorist with like literally wrapped in tinfoil
sitting in your own microwave but you still can't like it is still not a
legitimate argument to say that like a cia officer is going to get onto that
helicopter and shoot a minigun at civilian americans not a chance nope and if i
start believing that i'm leaving and no like even the most horrendous like even
henry kissinger hillary clinton take your pick of like the most vile people in
american history they're not going to do that and so it's like who would and
when you look at the history of saudi arabia and the sort of warring factions of
their religious and political ideology and the wahhabism hardliners that very
much are sort of aligned beside al-qaeda and that are sort of where al-qaeda
like yeah you know fractioned off from and you know this far more than me that
is very much an ideology that is perfectly okay with killing western young
people with reckless abandon and the interesting thing is that mbs yes muhammad
bin salman then the crown prince still still technically crown prince but the
man who runs saudi um i mean he's just crushed them he's changed everything
since then right just crushed them but but specifically he's gone after specific
people those people so let's let's unpack this a little wait before we go
further just the yeah the key question do we know that he was in vegas that no
we do not and there's this there's this one video that that question hinges
around because people started to talk about this theory you know in the months
following this um and in the years following it and this video emerged and went
viral and i have questions over whether this was orchestrated in order to
discredit the theory as often happens where when a theory that we're not
supposed to talk about gains power and steam and traction people start talking
about it you release something that is supposed to be a piece of that theory
that is easily disprovable right and this video goes viral i'm watching that
right now exactly right this video goes viral of this evacuation that happens
that night where there's these two guys surrounded by armed police officers
clearly like clearing the area evacuating out of a one of the hotels and someone
gets it on cell phone camera and the two guys that are not police officers that
are not armed one of them is wearing red shoes and a white baseball jersey and
he's carrying a little bag that's like looks like an important las vegas-y kind
of money or something bag and the other guy's in a suit and the the idea is it's
like is this guy in the white jersey mohammed bin salman which is at first it's
like what are you talking about like dressed like that i don't think so but i i
who knows maybe it was constructed to be like he's in disguise the short version
is we know for a fact that that was not mohammed bin salman he was one of the uh
like chiefs of security at that hotel um and he posted online was like no that's
me these are my shoes i'm a sneaker head like here's all the corroboration you
could ever need that's me i was called into work because i live nearby and
because they had not yet cleared that building i came in with that team as they
cleared the building and then you can see in the video right at the end of the
video the cops keep going straight and and him and his and the guy in the suit
they veer off to the right towards something and they and they have a little
dialogue where it's like hey you go and go to the offices and they go to their
offices to start working on the crazy security situation that they're in the
middle of and so that video is not at all related has nothing to do with it but
it got fed into the narrative right at this critical moment where i suspect that
it was supposed to discredit this make sort of like muddy the waters of this
question of was bin salman in las vegas at that time and i have not even begun
to scratch the surface of the research that these other folks have done over
years of trying to verify where he was that night and the best that anyone has
gotten as far as i've seen is that there's a hole in his schedule where no one
knows where he was and we know that he was other places before and we know he
was other places after but those that specific little window of time a couple
days around las vegas around october 1st 2017 no verification of where he was at
all so we do not know so ibn sad that like founded the kingdom of saudi arabia
he had a bunch of sons and it's been his sons ever since and so the king of
saudi arabia has been getting older and older and older because as one has
abdicated or been overtaken whatever it's just been like first they were in
their 30s and now they're in their 40s and now they're in their 60s and now
they're in their 70s and now uh king solomon took took off like office i said
office because i'm american he took the throne in his 80s right so the last
three kings of saudi arabia king faad king abdullah and king solomon super
relevant to the current power struggle that's happening and king faad was 82 to
2005 um i'm no expert on religion on islam on saudi american politics but it's
not hard to figure out that king faad was pretty hardliner and a lot of these
guys are pretty damn hardliner this kind of a hobbyism this very like very uh
conservative religious um government that they run and king faad he oversaw a
whole bunch of terrorism and like let's let's not forget that yeah there's a lot
of things that happened on 9 11 that i don't think the official narrative
accounts for but we do know for a fact that saudi arabia was very involved like
saudi arabia represented what was it like 17 what was it was 17 of 19 i think
yeah i think it was less than 17 i think it was 15 or 16 out of 19 but it was a
significant number right overwhelming majority majority the hijackers whatever
role they really played you know whatever conspiracy theory you want to be on
and then saudi arabia also was involved in sort of the intelligence around it
they were involved in they were baked in and when you get deeper into sort of
like the cia's analysis post-mortem analysis of what happened saudi arabia
stonewalled the hell out of them i mean like osama bin laden was born out of
this sort of saudi wahhabist mindset and he like took it in this direction um
towards politics away from just religious perspective and towards political
violence and political uh movement kind of born out of america getting in there
and doing what we always do right and there's all sorts of depth there that i
don't understand but it's you don't have to understand all the depth of it to
know that has an interesting relationship with that era because whether he was
you know regardless of how involved he was during that era osama bin laden was
creating and growing al-qaeda and doing whatever it is you think al-qaeda was
involved in not just in 9 11 but in all these other terror attacks too and and
so these hardliners these brother kings there's this divide that emerges um in
more recent times with king salman and his son muhammad bin salman right and
there's other people that are sort of aligned with them but they're obviously
the two figureheads of this this newer saudi arabia they are very different
muhammad bin salman especially but king salman has been very much more
progressive and muhammad bin salman is very much like he wants to give women's
rights and he's like throwing giant music festivals and he's trying to you know
move their investments away from just oil they're allowing alcohol exactly
they're doing all these things that are that from the hardliners perspective
you're destroying the faith you're destroying the nation you're destroying the
kingdom in the regional context he's been radical for sure and there is there's
a lot of articles news articles from the middle east predating the las vegas
shooting like in the in the years and months like there's some of them that are
two years ahead of that where it's it's princes because there's thousands of
these princes but some of them are very important and some of them are lesser
important and there were very important princes basically creating like kind of
manifesto level uh texts saying like we need to stop these fucking weaklings
from taking over and destroying the kingdom and basically calling on these
hardliners to get together and kick these guys out and deal with them and there
is a history of political violence back and i think it was the 60s was the first
time that the king was assassinated and he was assassinated by his nephew i
believe it is i believe it was his cousin i think that's correct and ever since
it's i mean even before that but ever since it has very much been this game of
thrones kind of place where you have a kingdom that has religion baked in it has
this oil wealth it has uh and it has this this history growing of political
violence and of infighting for the throne vying for this high stakes stuff yeah
for very high stakes and so as you approach the las vegas shooting and this is
stuff that john cullen and jason goodman dug a ton into and you can go to john
cullen's youtube channel and dig back through it all because he did it all in
these like one hour long podcasts and sort of exposés that takes a long time to
get through but he very much lays out his version of the theory and he's not the
only one but he's the most he's the most deep into this theory um and i very
much think it's the most i think it's the most fleshed out and logical theory um
all the way from explaining why we saw terrorism that night but also why we saw
these other things but also it fits into this historical perspective of what was
actually happening in saudi arabia at the time that we as americans aren't aware
because the secession had just shifted bin salman king salman not muhammad bin
salman king salman was on the throne he took the throne uh what was it in 2015 i
believe yeah 2015 salman takes the throne and he changes the succession uh i
believe it was earlier in 2017 it was like maybe six months or so before the
vegas shooting and he changes it from one of these hardliner guys to his son bin
salman muhammad bin salman it's very confusing with these names if you're
american you don't um you're not used to arab names but then the moment that bin
salman gets in there there is reporting about his actions there's you you have
to kind of triangulate it from watching what he does but he immediately starts
to consolidate power and um one of the examples is he moves to dismantle their
sort of intelligence apparatus and move it under the the uh the jurisdiction of
their like defense department sort of which he's the head of um and the guy that
was in charge of the intelligence apparatus at the time was one of these
hardliners from one of these other kind of family lineages and so it's things
like that where he's like he's kicking people out of their positions he's
changing around who's in charge of positions and he's trying to take away power
from these various uh hardliners that have had it out for him for years and do
not want this shift to take place um so he's replaced a guy that doesn't want
him there and now he's the crown prince he's gonna he's gonna take the throne
and his dad might abdicate at any time right his dad is in his 80s um at any
moment he could either die or get sick or just decide that he's over it and his
son is now the king and so bin salman's not a dumbass and he knows that he needs
to do something about all these opposing you know family members that are
actively trying to take him out and they've been talking about trying to take
him out for a long time and what i just explained about the uh the head of
intelligence and that the nature of the power of the intelligence networks
that's just one piece of what he's doing here and he's doing that for months
leading up to the 2017 uh to the date of october 1st when this shooting happens
and when the las vegas shooting happens it's right in the middle of this this
building of tension this shifting of power that we think is over there right
it's over in saudi arabia obviously and it's understandable that that would be
happening in saudi arabia so we kind of have a burden of proof to explain why
would this be happening in las vegas and i don't know if we've met that burden
of proof in the way the theory has developed over the years of people kind of
digging into this and trying to piece it apart but al-waleed bin talal one of
the richest of all of the saudi princes he's like i mean i guess it's changed
over the years but he's we're talking like a multi multi-billionaire in 2017 he
was like the 40 something richest person in the world by forbes or whoever um
something like 16 or 17 billion dollars net worth if i remember correctly he is
like the saudi bill gates is the way a lot of people referred to him and he
owned a 45 stake in the four seasons hotel chain and the four seasons hotel
chain owns well they like cooperate the top i think six floors of the mandalay
bay above where paddock was um allegedly where where paddock's room was and so
the theory started to dig into people started to look at this like well so we
have a faction this sort of wahabi hardliner faction that we know would
willingly kill massive numbers of americans for whatever reason even if it's
just incidental to something else they would be happy to kill americans it's not
like every saudi arabian person is this way that's not what's being claimed by
anyone it's that there are there are people with legitimate terroristic
ideologies in those factions and they're very opposed to mbs they're very
opposed to mbs they to them it's an existential threat they need to and they're
not quiet about that they have been talking about that for two years and more um
and the clock is ticking because mbs's dad is going to abdicate and mbs is going
to take the throne and mbs knows this and so in the months leading into this
shooting mbs is actually going after them he's seizing some of their money he's
restricting their travel he's reallocating power and consolidating power very
actively and overtly not like we have to assume this was happening we know that
those things were happening and so their their clock is ticking ticking and
their window of power and freedom is closing because they're getting their
travel restricted they're getting they're you know elements of power being taken
from them and so you actually are looking at a faction that is willing to do the
thing we see being done with motive to do it in the time frame that we see it
done in and then we have this window of lack of information of where was mbs at
the time and we don't know we we talked about that video that was probably just
kind of misinformation fed in we do not know if he was in las vegas at the time
no one has shown anything to prove that he was or wasn't it is worth noting that
his brother uh his son kbs is kbs his son or his brother khalid bin salman he
was the ambassador to america yeah i think he's his i think he's his younger
brother i think that's correct um khalid bin salman i think is his name he is
the ambassador to the united states for saudi arabia and he is very much in the
same faction so various people think that this has to do with mbs some people
think it has to do with his brother khalid bin salman but we don't really know
if they're there or not but right after this mass shooting happens and whatever
the hell it was bin salman goes on this what was called the saudi perch and it
includes the knight of a thousand swords is this like kind of mythical knight
where he he my understanding is that he invites all of the crown princes in for
something like it was like what was it they were going to um unveil something or
he had this like weird event planned oh it was that they were going to give a
citizenship to an ai robot named sophia it's this very bizarre little side quest
where he's like we're going to be the first nation to give citizenship to a
robot is my understanding here and so it's like this big like and everybody come
here and we're going to have this big party kind of thing and then he locks them
all in a hotel and he's the ritz carlton the ritz carlton and there's this whole
there's all this lore and legend around it that like you have to kind of sort
through to figure out what really happened and what is like storytelling but
it's it what really did happen is that over that night and then the weeks and
months following he seized billions and billions and billions of dollars of
assets from all of these hardliner guys all these guys that are aligned with
these people that had been slighted people that had been replaced like that he
had sort of stepped in their places of people that would hate him and want him
dead and it totaled up to almost 200 billion dollars confirmed that he that he
has seized from all these different people over the you know that this year or
two time frame here after the shooting he uh a couple of them die in mysterious
things like plane like uh helicopter crashes um some of them are so for example
there's this i guess it's a story but it's like corroborated by a bunch of
reporting and journalism and i think it's intentionally leaked out because he
wants bin salman wants everyone to know this story that he takes al-waleed bin
talal the guy that owns the four seasons hotel with the richest of all of these
hardliner princes that is against him and he strings him up by his feet and he
actually gets blackwater guys apparently military contractors from blackwater
american military contractors over there and they torture him they hang them up
by his feet and they torture him for who knows how long maybe days um beating
him and and all this stuff and humiliating him and we don't really know what
comes of it but his assets are stripped um he's basically his power is neutered
and that's done to a number of people but there's a lot of lore around what was
done to bin talal and there's a lot of theorizing by american journalists around
this las vegas shooting that bin talal might have been sort of the big money and
sort of the big guy behind a big element of the planning of this thing because
it starts to be the theory starts to be maybe it was an assassination attempt on
bin salman or his brother we don't know for sure but what we do know is there
was another assassin there was an assassination attempt later that year i think
it was in uh or i guess it would have been the next year it was in june of the
of 2018 i believe and it was at the palace in riyadh and there's video footage
of it and once again it's like one of these moments where actually it's like
automatic gunfire going off and like like kind of like i don't know if there's
explosions but it's like and they they stormed the palace and tried to kill
mohammed bin salman and actually it's pretty well speculated that he actually
got shot at some point in that uh assassination attempt because he disappeared
from the public eye for like eight weeks or 12 weeks or something like that um
and so so you start to put these pieces of this puzzle together just the
contextual stuff around it where we don't know for sure that he was there that
night and we don't really have evidence of anything super concrete saudi there
until we talk about the helicopters but we do have context for this turf this
war over immense power and wealth and we do have context for why they might be
there in this hotel this location we do have context for there are assassination
attempts happening on his life um obviously by those factions and then a year to
the day to the almost to the hour maybe after the las vegas shooting happens
jamal kashoggi gets chopped up into little pieces over in the embassy that was a
year to the day to the day right was it was it in 2018 or was it after that was
2019 or 2020 i don't i don't recall i think it was around 20 i think it was 18
and what i but what i'm remembering is specifically john colin's reporting on
this because he this is one of the things that he zeroed in on that people then
were like whoa because when you account for the time zone difference from where
he was in turkey i think it was it was in istanbul in istanbul right and when
you account for the time difference it's like pretty damn close to actually
because he got he got chopped up i believe it was on october 2nd but when you
account for the time difference it was actually the the night of october 1st the
exact anniversary of this shooting this possible assassination attempt it's like
okay well what does jamal kashoggi have to do with this well the kashoggi family
is this deep power family in saudi arabia um a non-kashoggi famously was this
one of the world's most powerful arms traffickers that did business with jeffrey
epstein and sold trump his boat and all these things but they were tied in much
more significantly politically than that and jamal specifically before he was a
journalist you know working for the washington post he was actually working for
the head of saudi intelligence um i guess doing journalism for him right and
then you actually go further back and some of these guys dug up reporting and
photographs news reporting with photographs that he was actually in the
mujahideen hanging out holding a rocket launcher way back in the day well he
certainly supported those elements there's no doubt about it even though his
life didn't mirror their exactly their beliefs but there's no i mean i don't
know the answer but there's no question that he was not murdered because of his
washington post columns exactly so the question becomes he was critical of mbs
the washington post like they care exactly no there's more than that and so then
you start to ask yourself the question is like what why was he murdered not just
murdered but why was he murdered so brutally and intentionally in a place that
was like a public spectacle and it looks like it's to send a message it very
much looks like it's to send a message yep and you start to wonder like okay
well when he does the knight of the thousand swords when he grabs when he you
know confiscates all these people's wealth he strings bin talal up by his feet
and beats him and then seems to intentionally let that story get out um and then
this really public murder of this other guy that's aligned with those factions
happens on the like one year anniversary of this event you start to see this
triangulation of vengeance of something there and this is obviously speculation
to connect all of these things but this context matters because again 60 people
were murdered and there is an explanation and it's obviously not the mainstream
narrative but then you have to explain how did 60 people die and why and there
there's a reason for everything even if it's like even if it's an asteroid just
boom random collision there's still an explanation for why it happened and so
you need to find a scenario that actually is reality that does fit with the
facts that are true that explains the horrific thing that we saw and you're
starting to see the reason why this theory took so much root and why so many
people are interested in it myself included is that it explains how you could do
something so horrible to innocent american civilians but it also explains all
the other weird operations not that we know for sure what happened in all those
hotels but that you start to understand why you would have you know reports of
armed gunmen in like tactical gear over there and over there and over there at
the airport while you have these weird helicopters going on okay so the
helicopters so i said just to recap super quick the story you're telling is
remarkable by the way um and it it does seem to fit all kinds of disparate
pieces together into what appears like a coherent whole but you don't know so i
said do we know that mbs or his brother or any of his relatives were in town
that day no we don't but you said there's the question of the helicopters which
i think you've already made a compelling case we're involved in the shooting
yeah what do you mean what helicopters so we know that there are helicopters in
the air that don't show up on train on the transponder data and we know that
there's weird transponder data on helicopters that came from the maverick and
sundance helicopter tour operators and all that but the question is is even
before you have seen john colin's research on the fact that there's some
helicopters that never have transponders on that aren't on any of the flight
radar data as in like there's literal ghost helicopters there that seem to be
shooting before you even know that if you're speculating that like there's some
foreign assassination kind of attempt in there and there's helicopters involved
it's like well where the hell did they get the helicopters how do you get
helicopters halfway around the world from saudi arabia like you can't just fly
over the ocean in a helicopter and go shoot someone and so these guys started to
look into it and this is very this is directly taking from the research of john
colin and jason goodman um who did amazing work on this stuff uh like we all owe
them a great debt on this because they started to look where would they like are
there their helicopters around and they stumbled across a thing called operation
red dawn it turns out that for the entire month of august the month before well
one whole month before the shooting um this hotel called the w in las vegas was
rented out for the saudi royal air force because they were bringing their guys
over to actually do a giant training operation a joint training operation in
this thing called operation red dawn in the desert outside of las vegas um
simultaneous to that saudi arabia had done this gigantic weapons deal with
american defense contractors and i mean america because you have to go through
our government in order to do those contracts as you know and they had bought a
whole bunch of military hardware from various defense contractors and that
included a whole bunch of helicopters from boeing and there's this new kind of
helicopter that had just been designed by boeing called the ah6i that was just
finishing its first run of production and it had not been delivered to anyone
else yet in the world i mean you can look these things up they're these like
compact they're like combat stealth reconnaissance helicopters designed to be
extremely mobile extremely small you can you can fold the rotors up and pack
them into a shipping container like on a truck and they can slide right into a
truck back um but they also can have mini guns on them they are extremely
stealthy they're very quiet they're very small they have like just two seats in
them um so they are sort of uh a really specific type of helicopter that was
just getting finished in 2017 like they were delivering their first shipments in
2017 and they were actually there at this operation operation red dawn where the
entire saudi royal air force was in the las vegas area just like a month before
this shooting goes down um like one two to one months before the shooting goes
down and people did all sorts of digging into like the description of the
helicopters from victims and the the what these helicopters look like they've
got this giant camera bulb on the bottom but the fact is that it's like oh wait
a minute there's literally saudi helicopters stationed right over there in the
desert just to hop away from vegas for this giant operation where the saudi like
royal air force is literally been on location just before this thing goes down
and those helicopters are specifically a kind of helicopter you couldn't do this
with a black hawk for example but you could pack one of those helicopters into a
box truck and drive it off into the desert and just park it there and no one
would ever know there's a helicopter parked there because it's inside of a box
and then you could just take it out unfold the rotors and you're off amazing and
so it's like wait a minute what because because again you have to remind
yourself that that in journalism in the pursuit of truth you have to find true
circumstances which you can evidence hopefully corroborate as well by multiple
sources that explains what you're seeing and what we saw is we have footage of
helicopters we have reports of helicopters and we have flight transponder data
that seems to indicate at least some helicopter activity that's suspicious from
the airfield but pretty good evidence that there's helicopters helicopters that
aren't even transpondered on and when you hear that gunfire it's like oh that
would explain why the gunfire sounds like belt fed machine guns because that's
what's on these kinds of helicopters that would explain why we see these flying
things coming around behind the mandalay bay and going with little lights in the
back like off in the darkness that would explain why there's trajectories of
fire that are coming down directly from overhead on some of these people yes
that would explain why like it would start to fit into a narrative where at at
the helicopters that we do know we're on the transponder data there's a couple
groups of them there's one group of three that takes off earlier in the night
they take off from by the tour helicopter operator and they fly over to the
mandalay bay and hover over top of it and they turn their transponders off and
their transponders are off for the entire shooting and then their transponders
turn back on after the shooting is over and they fly over and join this group of
eight that are taking off in the minutes after the shooting and flying north
away from the strip we know that yeah it's on yeah the you can go and watch all
the footage people record multiple people corroborated it and recorded it from
flight radar 24 at the time now uh transponder data is only historically kept
for up to like three years i think in flight radar 24 is the most has the widest
time horizon if you pay the 500 membership um you can get i think three years of
data so it's long gone now from public access but many many different
journalists uh published video footage of these uh this transponder data
corroborated between each other and yeah we we know that lots of weird
helicopter stuff happened on the transponder data and then that's where john
colon took it one step further and triangulated everything and realized that he
pretty well proved that even aside from that we have helicopters that aren't
those ones at times when we know where all those ones are and there's i still
see a helicopter in this footage right now that has flashing what looks like
gunfire um we also have a plane on that transponder footage that is flying under
the call sign of a southwest boeing 747 and it flies over the airport and then
does a right turn the way a helicopter would and then flies over to the mandalay
bay or i guess it was the delano not the mandalay bay for this one and then it
hovers over the delano for a while and then it goes off and it's under the the
call sign of a southwest passenger plane like a boeing 747 that also was
somewhere else at the top but it's a helicopter it's obviously a helicopter just
by the way it flies when it's obviously a helicopter because it's a fixed wing
aircraft don't hover yeah yeah you know you know they tend to fall out of the
sky you fly around america on that one can't hover but this one could this one
though it was apparent it was labeled as this southwest airlines you know
passenger plane it flew and took a hard right turn at speed over top of the
airport and then went and hovered over the delano uh and then went took off so
we have all this weird shit going on in the air and and so it starts to
corroborate the idea that helicopters are involved and there's more than and
there appears to be more than one thing of helicopters going on because you
can't you can't explain helicopter shooting civilians from helicopters that are
taking off from sundance and uh i always forget the other one um from these like
tour operators right um maverick and sundance are very much a part of the
community there they run tours all over the all over vegas every single day
their helicopters are known at the airport the air traffic control knows them
they talk to them all the time right and we do have some weird shit going on
with air traffic control we do have the audio of air traffic control and air
traffic control didn't even know that the shooting was happened until like
several minutes after it had finished and we have the audio of it it's it's
almost tragic as the shooting is happening they're just directing traffic like
normal and then as the shooting is sort of finishing um like right around 10 14
10 15 10 16 air traffic control starts asking the helicopter operators because
there's these tour operators that are apparently launching tour helicopters at
the time it's like hey sundance or maverick can you see what's happening over at
that concert over there what's going on i see a lot of it's like police lights
and stuff and they're like kind of chattering back and forth of like yeah i
think the concert just got out but unbeknownst to them 60 people are dead on the
ground and the shooting has already fully happened and everything is you know at
least that part of everything is done and then they start to get like in the
next like eight minutes they start to realize what the hell is going on and then
air traffic control starts rerouting everybody and starts trying to deal with it
keeping the runways clear and then it's like the 30 minutes later where our
traffic control comes through and says we have an active shooter on the runway
and then they ask to turn the lights off so that's where it became like if
helicopters are shooting people you need to figure out where those helicopters
came from because they almost certainly didn't come from these tour helicopter
operators right where we haven't even talked about the shooting that happened in
those hangars by the way that was shooting in the multiple people reported
shootings in those hangars and in other hangars in the airport as well but we
can come back to that wait were those do we know anything about those shootings
all we know is that there were three different 911 calls that came in
sequentially that were from relatives and friends of people that were in the
hangars because apparently the people in the hangars were trying to call 911 and
couldn't get through almost as though they were being jammed or something like
that somehow got comms out or something and that and so it was like a boyfriend
of a girl that was in there and it was reported that there was a woman down who
had been shot um we don't know if she died or not we don't we don't have an
autopsy from any woman that died in those hangars but it was that a woman had
been shot and that there were gunmen in the hangars somewhere and there was a
bunch of civilians trying to hide from them trying to sort of like it's like run
and hide from is this during the shooting at mandalay bay this those calls all
come after the shooting at mandalay bay by a woman down okay so it's not like i
mean this whole time i'm thinking well maybe it's just the echo of oh no no
fired into the we have a woman down in that hangar we have uh we have guns
picked up in the street and handed to police officers in other parts of the city
we have long guns no no pistols um there are magazines that are found in other
parts of the city um around the concert venue there's uh ar magazines there's a
magazine found out in front of the tropicana there's a bunch of casings found in
uh in the parking lot of the tropicana um and i've got all sorts of video
footage of the stuff that i'll give to you and you can splice in wherever you
want um and then people can go on to that map that i talked about and like the
vast majority of what i'm referring to is on that map and you can actually click
on it and see the footage original for yourselves and then there's also all the
gunfire that was recorded after the fact and the chatter of uh of armed suspects
uh gunmen in all sorts of places being observed we we know very well that there
were lots of other things happening but we don't have a lot of other bodies
except for this woman in the uh helicopter hangar um that was allegedly shot we
don't know she died we don't know anything about her i i don't know anything
about her yeah i don't think that we ever got any answers on that this is the
craziest story ever um and the craziest part is how people just sort of let it
let it go and didn't biggest mass shooting in american history we never talked
about it no one ever followed up on any of this stuff yeah no federal agency
ever said wait a second we're going to cut off highway funding unless you answer
these questions well what did happen after it which is kind of where we were
there is that mbs goes on this purge of his political opposition in saudi arabia
the next time that trump flew to saudi arabia he got the sword dance welcome
right do you remember that i do yeah that that is like not a thing you just give
out to donald trump because you like him that is a whole different level of
respect in saudi arabia is my understanding that's where we get that photo of
trump with his hand on the globe with the other saudi guys is from that trip
also simultaneous to that mohabibin salman invested a what appears to be two
billion dollars with a fund started by jared kushner uh in the year following
this this shooting which is an interesting choice um i mean it's not a
completely unthought unthinkable choice but a lot of alignments start to happen
trump has been very pro mbs for a long time and i will lead this other guy who
owned the the uh the four seasons and got strung up by his feet he's hated trump
for a long time and there's you can actually he there's archived tweets of his
that are like like trump you're a fucking idiot why would you do this kind of
stuff um and so after this shooting in vegas you start to see deep alignments
strengthen between trump's government and bin salman and bin salman's and bin
salman is rounding up his political opposition he's modernizing saudi arabia
he's trying to turn them away from just oil and this old wahhabist way of
thinking and it's obvious like from a american uh national defense and national
security standpoint that's like one of the most obvious things you could ever
desire is for saudi arabia to stop being sympathetic to al-qaeda style terrorism
right because there are factions in saudi arabia that are still very much like
no f the infidels certainly not all of them for sure and but you never thought
you would see it in saudi arabia because it's the seat of their religion because
mecca medina the top two holy places are in the country power right so they
didn't have it was believed that government didn't have the latitude to become
more pro-western because every muslim has to go to mecca so exactly um and so
it's an interesting moment in the political shifting of the middle east world
changing right and that's as like the middle east is rising in wealth uh through
not all the best means like uh there's a whole other episode to do about the
genocide in sudan and the gold being smuggled to the uae which is uh atrocious
but you can see it's like it feels like a currency shift is coming and it feels
like the middle east is rising into their like modern incarnation there's no
question and it feels it feels like all these things are happening but may i
just ask one thing just to i mean it's an amazing explanation true or not but
the piece that's missing in my mind is why if you wanted to murder muhammad bin
salman would you shoot up a jason aldean concert that is a good question and
that's the question that first got me hung up on this whole theory and i don't
really know i it's still the most endearing mystery of the whole thing to me in
that we have we've aligned on a story that has a perpetrator that we know is
perfectly morally capable for doing so like essentially we're saying like kind
of the most extreme jihadi terrorist factions yeah from that that uh that is
possible but it's like that still doesn't explain why it would be a part of the
plan right and different people come to different theories here and none of them
really satisfy me uh one is that we have rounds that were fired at the fuel
tanks at the airport so across from the mandalay mandalay bay across diagonally
ahead of it is the concert but across directly is the airport beyond the concert
and there's these giant white fuel tanks these giant metal white fuel tanks over
there that got shot by uh bolt action fire and uh the i mean the police story is
that one of them penetrated but didn't ignite but it was they they say that
officially eight rounds were fired at the fuel tanks i don't know how they know
eight specifically two of them hit the fuel tanks didn't ignite and so there's a
certain kind of faction of people that think that the goal was to ignite those
fuel tanks and basically explode them which to me speaks to distraction or chaos
like cause pandemonium as some reason some part of a plan there's a lot of
reasons why you might want pandemonium in the in an exit in something like this
but um it's hard to say what that means but in that theorizing you could then
say okay well if the tanks don't ignite then just shoot the concert goers
that'll cause pandemonium that that's never really satisfied my my question or
curiosity so the idea that it was a diversion makes sense i mean of course it
does make sense to have it have any evidence so if the crown prince was in the
hotel he likely would have been above steven paddock in the four seasons portion
of the hotel and is so do we have any evidence anything weird was going on up
there not to my knowledge other than the fact that we have helicopters that we
have helicopters that took off from the tour operator three of them early on
before everything started that go fly over top of the mandalay bay and then turn
their transponders off and they're off for the entire duration of the shooting
don't really know what happens there um we have helicopters that appear to be
shooting that are circling around the mandalay bay in the footage and we have
much later we have reports of a armed gunman first it's a possible suspect on
the fourth floor of the mandalay bay we're talking like an hour to an hour and a
half later and then just shortly after that first call uh and it's a it's i'm
pretty sure this one was reported by police not not like a 911 call but like on
police radio i could be wrong about that is it's first it's a suspect and then
it escalates and a few minutes later it's like we haven't we have a armed uh
gunman in the on the fourth floor of mandalay bay and then we have no no
follow-up on that we have no context of what happened there whether that was
real or not we don't know but other than that there's actually a serious lack of
anything happening in the mandalay bay there is the explosive breaching of the
of the police team getting in there the one swat guy with his team breaching
into paddock's room um that's a question we don't know but other than that
there's not a whole lot of like reported activity right one thing that uh i
believe it was calling again that notice this is in the photos of the room he
noticed that there were loaded ak-47 magazines ak-style magazines but there was
no a case in the room and they were loaded with 7.62 by 39 they were full they
were completely filled um as though you were as though you had had a case that
you were going to go shoot in the desert whatever the actual explanation for why
paddock thought he was there whatever that was he speculates i don't i don't
have a better explanation but john cullen speculates that the shot that we hear
earlier in the day that was reported by someone on the floor they said it was
like 3 30 or so someone reported that they heard a shot in the mandalay bay a
single shot he speculates that that's when steven paddock was killed that they
get in they open his door whether it's whether they've already manipulated the
key cards or they just knock and walk in and shoot him i don't know but this he
speculates that that's when paddock was actually killed but if you are if if
you're playing out this narrative to try to make that make sense if you are
saudi hit squads and you walk into this room of paddocks filled with all these
weapons you're going to pick up the one you're familiar with right that would
make that would make sense in my mind would right has the i should have asked
this earlier has the hotel ever released all the relevant surveillance footage
not a single ounce of it no even though there is endless surveillance footage
obviously every every and and it's not that they really they didn't release
footage that disproved people it's not that that that there was 911 calls and we
were all because people were conspiracy theorizing it was like something
happened in the bellagio so they released footage that showed nothing happened
in the bellagio that's not what happened they didn't release anything at all
that's incredible yeah yeah and they put gag orders on all of their employees
and everything it was just this chill on everything uh i actually don't remember
um at the time i'm trying to remember if this guy was publicly traded he got
yeah he this guy got into politics the ceo of mgm he um he sold off oh yeah oh
yeah man this is the thing about this story is there's so many details that are
like what the fuck the ceo of mgm i should almost refer to my notes he sold off
80 of his mgm stock like six months before the shooting happened it was uh i'm
probably gonna get the numbers wrong it was a lot of money but the number 80 i
feel pretty dang confident about he sold a shitload of his mgm stock in the
months leading into the shooting i think it was six months before um he later on
was chosen to be the head of the covid task force in las vegas if i remember
correctly there's a lot of insider stuff like that of like perfect okay what the
hell is going has anyone ever asked you know like the us government the saudi
government about any of this i mean other than you know journalists online like
podcasters that have sort of like posed the question um john john cullen is very
fond of posing the question minnie robinson made a documentary where like she
rhetorically posed the question very angrily of like like what the fuck is this
guys like are we ever going to get answers are you are you ever going to answer
for this and obviously there's no response to any of that as far as i've ever
seen um i don't think anyone has ever really posed the question and i think that
there you know you could explain it as a conspiracy theorist of like they never
it's like they're not going to tell us about 9 11 so why would they but if you
when you go the thing that's really interesting in my mind about this saudi
theory which is very much just a theory is that it does explain why it would be
geopolitically relevant and sensitive to this day oh and why right like because
then you're actually talking about us saudi relations right now with the soon to
be king of saudi arabia you're talking about trump's family relationships
because trump was the president at that time and he was fresh in and i'm sure
that he had something to do with if that's what happened i'm sure that trump had
something to do with the response and the security and whatever happened um but
then you're also talking about us israel relations because bin solomon's
relationship with israel is very different than these this more hardliner very
old school factions relationship with israel right and so there's all of these
relationships that shift around trump's presidency in the united states and his
relationship to bin solomon and bin solomon's ascendancy in saudi and their
relationship to everyone else in the middle east which is so critical and so
it's like well that does start to explain in my mind why it might not just be
that they're covering it up because they're embarrassed and don't want to tell
you but they might actually have this sort of like trump card so to speak of
national security there's like a legitimate reason why we're covering this up so
everybody shut your mouths because it's hard like how do you cover even though
those would be the victims in this attempted murder if in fact that's what it
was i have seen that before where people are on the wrong side of you know an
act of violence or the victims of it but they don't want to talk about it well
not especially when you're a king of some a kingdom so powerful you don't want
to expose a weakness you don't want to and also i've seen that that you don't
want to i mean you certainly don't want to expose let alone the what is it
methods techniques and of you know the things that intelligence agencies don't
want to ever give away it's like the way we do covert operations and covert
extractions and all that but even beyond like giving away state secrets like
that it's like you also don't want to expose all of the collateral damage that
was caused in the wake of this thing right because inevitably so let's just
imagine that mohammed salman they tried to kill him in vegas and he was the good
guy in the story even though you know that is not what's being said here um the
life is all shades of gray but it's there's almost no version of that story
where a civilian isn't killed because of his team as well and you know an
american isn't killed because because you know the swat team wasn't there to do
that because they were over there doing that which by the way where the fuck was
the swat team right so now that we've gone gone through all of this narrative
and and evidence just like kind of teasing out and then we come back to where
was the swat team it makes a lot more sense i bet in the audience's mind and
this is for me this was how my own digging into it happened because i came into
this naive and i look at all this journalism and early on i stumble across the
body cam footage of them breaching the room and it doesn't really stick out to
me that there's only one swat guy with them even though i acknowledged it but it
was like that's weird but then like after this snaking journey through trying to
learn all these other elements of what was going on and you start to learn about
the airport and you learn about the other hotels and you learn about the
possible extraction of like a king then it's like okay so where was the swat
team the possible extraction of the king do we have any suggestion that happened
no no we do not know and honestly now that i'm mentioning it and i'm kind of
thinking it through right now one of the only like and i'm not saying this is
concrete evidence i'm actually saying the opposite because one of the most
concrete pieces of evidence is that the swat team was not at the place where
they should have been they should have been at stephen paddock's door this is
the most this is one of the most uh decorated experienced and well-funded
biggest watching one of the biggest swat teams in america and they had one guy
they had one shooter in one room that they should have been breaching but when
you actually look at the true story there's all these other things happening
that might have needed their attention more but my understanding is that swat is
actually used for protection of high level dignitaries used for extraction of
high level like that's the kind of thing that i could imagine them actually
being diverted to right for sure because if this event was this more complex
thing of some sort they're not going to send them to steven paddock's room that
actually that's the last place you want to send your swat team right especially
once the shooting from paddock's room has stopped because if you're already
getting reports of something going on at the airport or have like if what we're
talking about is happening at all then you're probably getting reports directly
from this whoever high level dignitary or person that's trying to be
assassinated there's probably deeper levels of intel being fed to whoever makes
the decision of where the swat team goes and so it's you suddenly have a pretty
obvious explanation of like the swat team wasn't there because something more
important was happening yes and i don't think and we know the swat team wasn't
at the concert we don't have evidence of the swat team being at the hotels i
don't have any evidence of them being at the airport although we don't really
have enough evidence to say whether they were or not at the airport but where
were they because that actually i think is one of the biggest pieces of this
puzzle and he would have secret service as well right so you said about 60
people were killed yeah over 100 i know were shot yeah i think it was 400 plus
were wounded in total so that's a a lot of survivors that's a lot of families of
the of the murdered have any of them raised these questions a lot of them did
early on and i think a lot of them still do but a lot of people i think feel
voiceless and in a lot of ways are voiceless if no one's going to go to you if
the media is not going to investigate it if there's never going to be a federal
investigation then they have no recourse and so what wound up happening was
independent media started going to them so there was no in the i mean i was in
the fabled mainstream media at the time i don't remember anyone really pushing
on this very hard do you know of any as far as i'm aware you're the one that
pushed the hardest and it wasn't that hard no yeah we did get um hassled by the
police in las vegas which was striking because yeah you work at fox news
basically pro cop all the cops know that you know i've never had any problem
with any cop they're always so nice and i think the only time i've ever had up
in the last 20 years anyway i've ever had a hostility from the police was in las
vegas and they tried to block us from our camera position which was in a vacant
lot i'll never forget this and it was at night and they they tried to make us
leave and i thought that's i remember seeing the producer man we've never gotten
that treatment interesting were you was it on any specific lot like yeah it was
right um it was a camera shot so we were uh you know we were fake i was doing
like a stand-up facing the area where the shooting took place and um they just
weren't about it no and they were weird about it too really weird about it and
hostile and uh i that was just so striking because again if you work at ask
anyone who works at fox you know you see cops and they're just so nice because
everyone hates cops except you know the fox news anchors that's their view
anyway so i've never i never experienced that before yeah yeah and it was it was
weird the whole government just shut up about it and the mainstream media it was
like three days later the story just died most most horrific mass shooting in
american history and those victims like a lot of them are still alive but
they're paralyzed a lot of them have brain damage a lot of them like lost limbs
or eyes or things like that it's it's a real tragedy and it's easy to get into
conspiracy land only with it um and i do think it's important to try to uncover
what really happened obviously to try to dig out what the hell is this but it's
also it's it's easy to lose sight of the fact that like that was hundreds of
americans and then by extension thousands of americans thousands and thousands
of americans whose lives will never be the same because of that who lost family
members lost loved ones and they and these were like it's really sad on that map
um that i was telling you about vegas shooting map they have death reports of
like all the victims pinned onto the map and it gives you like their age their
name their profession and in some cases it gives you a little description of who
they were and what their life was like and what they were doing and it's just so
sad to read because like a lot of them is like was there with her boyfriend to
celebrate their anniversary like was a kindergarten teacher or you know things
like that that's just and and that's where it really hits home where it's like
you need you need an explanation that that explains why something so evil would
happen yes and i think that's the endearing question that keeps the
investigation open but it's also the enduring question that makes it makes it so
that it wasn't solved by just like these basic explanations because we easily
debunked the mainstream narrative but then there was lots of other sort of like
half-baked versions of maybe it's this maybe it's this but none of them
explained how evil it was and none of them explained the scope and scale of what
it was and to this day there's no there's no one proven theory um i've just sort
of laid out what is the most explored and i think by my standard the most
credible version of a theory um and a lot of people are pretty much on that
theory at this point that they think that that's the the the one that is a
version of true um but it's not the only theory and uh it's as far from proven
that's for sure and it wouldn't be i mean there's a thing you asked like has
there ever been any investigators i'm sure the government already knows of
course like that's the reason why you get the cover-up of this magnitude is
because they know they know what that's obvious whenever there's not an
investigation it's not because no one's interested yeah um and we've seen that a
lot in fact we've seen it so much that you sort of wonder at what point it's
just impossible to have like a functioning justice system because nobody
believes anything yeah and it's just over and over again when something happens
we feel like we're not like like charlie kirk is months months ago now and to
this day i think the most americans still feel like we don't have an honest set
of answers um whether you believe it was tyler robinson or you believe it was
some version of some other conspiracy i think that a lot of people feel very
underwhelmed by the way it was handled by cash the way it was handled by every
government official involved and that should have been the most basic one well
so i didn't want to talk about this because i'm you know i know everyone
involved very well and i feel emotional about it and i'm going out you know day
after tomorrow to speak at turning point at charlie's request but um i don't so
my the hostility that i i don't know what that was the onus is on the government
to prove it was a lone gunman okay it's that's up to them not up to me that's
their job i'm not accusing anybody i don't know exactly what happened there is a
lot of evidence that tyler robinson was involved at least from what i read yeah
um if those text messages are real and the murder weapon is you know like i'm
willing to believe anything but i do think it's up to them to prove it to us
yeah here's what i don't understand there's been an enormous amount of rage uh
you know different people with different views getting mad at each other there's
been almost no pressure on federal law enforcement to cough up the freaking
facts and to tell a story that makes sense just in this got internal coherence
that like oh that makes sense like i get it exactly and there's no pressure on
them even the question of motive like again i want to believe it was a lone
gunman who was a tranny or something i want to believe that is a lot better of
an answer a lot more comfortable 100 i want that by the way i'm a middle-aged
man i'm a normie i don't want to believe anything other than what they tell me
but they've made it impossible for me so but i don't understand the motive like
they're like well transgenderism which obviously i'm opposed to but okay was he
transgender was he on yeah hormones was he how do you go from being this
seemingly normal person to murdering a stranger with almost a dead certainty
you'll be pun it you'll spend life in prison or be executed for it like that's a
lot that's a deep commitment okay yeah and i'm not saying it doesn't happen of
course it does but like how did it happen in this case yeah and tell us the
facts right yeah yeah and it's like shut up yeah and it's like this it's a
parallel to the las vegas in the sense that just one piece of evidence in in in
the case of charlie kirk it's one piece of evidence in the case of las vegas
it's like five trillion well the las vegas thing the story is just like it well
what i what i was going to say is that the video is we know they haven't like in
vegas we know that there's surveillance footage of the entire city we know that
every hotel has footage of everything that happened and we know that they could
release it and we could see these alleged gunmen we could see these fake 911
calls right and in charlie's case we know that the camera that they released
footage of of this guy running across the roof that camera sees the whole roof
that camera sees the shooting position clearly i went there myself and so it's
like if you have the video of the shooter running to get off the roof you have
the video of him taking the the shot and so it's these little things where you
don't take that step to release the evidence that is so in our faces to just
give a little bit of trust to the public to clarify things it's like why don't
you take this step for trust because like you're saying it's their job to prove
these things it's their job to it's not up it's not up to you or me i mean i've
stayed out of it um mostly i've really tried my hardest to stay out of it but i
feel emotional about it but you're watching the trump coalition turn against
itself eat itself and okay fine i mean there are legitimate disagreements of
course i'm always for that but no calls for the fbi or authorities in utah yeah
or the college like there's no pressure on them what is that yeah well you
wouldn't want to taint a jury pool that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard yeah
it's kind of dumb do you know what crimes have covered i was a police reporter
and like the first thing that happens is the authorities call you up and they
tell you this exactly what this they tell you their story yeah that taints a
jury pool yeah it does in favor of conviction yeah so i've never i mean i've
been around this for over 30 years i'm not an expert in anything but i've
certainly seen law enforcement respond to a crime yeah a lot and i've never
heard anybody say anything like this doesn't make any sense like what is it what
does it even mean yeah and to me being being like younger and newer in this
thing having more naivete it's hard growing up so i'm like the quintessential
911 generation i was like seven eight nine i was what was it 2001 i would have
been nine when 9 11 happened and so to me with my life experience it's just hard
not to be like when you see the government act this way it's because they're
covering up one of these things that i don't know what they are by the way when
i act that way i'm covering something up when you do too that's a human thing if
i'm yeah hiding something if i'm lying about something there's a reason i'm not
doing it unless i'm like some total sociopath freak i'm not doing it for fun i'm
doing it because i'm trying to conceal something exactly and i think that we've
just i mean we've always had them throughout history we had them in vietnam we
had them long before that like they've been everywhere in history but i don't
know if it's information increasing the frequency that they feel like they're
happening at or if it's corruption increasing as the empire sort of late stages
itself but it just feels like we're in this era now where every couple years we
get another one that is so big it's hard to imagine a bigger one and then boom
covet hits right and it's like what could even be weirder than that and it's
like i'm not saying that one is more important than the other but i think it's
just striking that over and over there's always more gigantic world events that
feel viscerally like cover-ups where there's no reason for there to be a
cover-up of the assassination of someone like charlie especially when trump like
who charlie got into power is in power when that's there like and it's not like
it's trump's job to solve the crime it's just that you know you would hope that
he has a coalition in place and that his government and his fbi and his people
that they should have no greater uh motivation ever than to solve this crime but
what about all of the people who you know new charlie or who are sad you know
every american why are they turning against each other and not against the
authorities whose job it is i would always think this about the race crap it's
like blacks should hate whites whites should be afraid of blacks okay got it no
one ever mentions like private equity it did feel like a fight amongst
yourselves scenario and this does too i think it's exactly what happened during
covid and obviously i have a big bias here and people should should only listen
to me about charlie kirk through my bias around my reporting on it but to me it
looks like the same sort of mass formation psychosis that happened during covid
it's just that that was better at targeting the left because it was like
collectivism of collectively we're going to write all the sick people and
leftists aren't you know never mind um this one is targeting the right because
they shot our guy and we loved charlie and like and these these damned leftists
hate us right and we've got this we've got our leftist tranny guy and we hate
and and they're whipping it up on that and all the news is parroting the same
thing and all of the i'm not gonna name any names but all the talking heads on
social media that are not independent they're all saying the exact same
narrative and so you get this spiraling narrative that is building this i don't
even know what the narrative is like i'm happy to buy into your dumb narrative
just tell me what it is and well as i said my preference is for a an easy to
understand non-sinister or less sinister explanation that involves one guy but
if you're telling me the trainee did this actually the trainee seems to be in
federal protection right now with no charges against him even though by the text
messages they released he had four he knew about it and didn't go to authorities
so how is he not an accessory how why is he under protection what's this so he
can testify we have the text messages you don't need like what shouldn't a guy
who knew about the crime but didn't report it who lived with the gunman
shouldn't he be charged with something what about the people who predicted this
on the internet before it happened yeah where they and like okay so i don't
really even know what this what story are you telling me i don't even get it
right sorry i'm upset no i totally hear it and it's i think it's a rage that a
lot of americans feel and they look for outlet because right some people see
this piece that didn't make sense and some people see that piece that didn't
make sense and others see others just feel just feel a weird vibe from it but
was the shooter transgender is that what they're saying okay then what does that
have to do with it all what he became like gay for the transgender guy but it's
just like it doesn't have anything to do with it unless you can prove with the
facts that like he actually had the motive the means the weapon the location but
what was the motive that charlie had said bad things i mean look a few times i
know that people were you know the the left hated charlie fact they celebrated
his death fact but to kill somebody you've never met it's a pretty abstract
thing to do and to plan it out and to go through with it right 100 so you're
either completely deranged or your ideological motivation is so profound you're
a suicide bomber basically because you know that you're not gonna you're gonna
die because of your murder so that's that's just such a big step i'm not saying
it didn't happen i'm just saying tell me how tell me how the 4.0 student that
like nearly aced his act became that it's insane and then the rage of like even
asking that question it's like and i never say this but i just i just will say i
knew charlie really well like not you know not just green room friends like i
know him really well and um and and you know loved him and so and i know for a
fact that his whole life was testament to this he was for inquiry you know
honest questions and people like oh just asking questions charlie be like yeah
just asking questions as is my birthright yeah as an american citizen well as
yeah you think and so you're so what you're saying is that mass formation
psychology clearly has taken hold among a bunch of people where it's like they
just can't think clearly well i don't think that it takes hold by accident i
think that it's the kind of thing that only happens when you have a massive
propaganda campaign and it's like basically a state-sponsored operation to
control the information space as well there's definitely i mean there's
definitely some of that that's flat out we know because i'm watching it and i'm
not gonna you know whatever i'm gonna just shut up now because i know too many
people involved and i and i love them all honestly so and it's like with the
vegas shooting with a lot of these things it can kind of get swept under the rug
right it can kind of get put away and with vegas they managed to sort of just
stop talking about it and a lot of like you know independent journalists were
loud but there's a lot of other stuff going on and none of them really had
massive platforms and we weren't in the era of the internet we are in today yet
and so it was enough to just kind of sweep it under the rug and they never had
to like build some big complex alternative narrative and flood the zone and have
shills kind of doing and charlie's is just a different thing and it's like each
each time like with covid we got our own slice of what is weird going on here um
with vegas we got our own slice of like a cover-up right different different
suspicious crimes that aren't explained require different cover-ups and it's
it's like everyone has their own opinion about what's going on with charlie i
have mine for sure but um but the people are getting getting wise to this it's
not adding up thing like it shouldn't be a mystery like when you have a regular
crime in your town and you get a regular sheriff to come and explain the crime
and show you the evidence and you get a regular court trial about it i don't
think that's usually like some grand mystery of like i think that the local
sheriff is covering up the fact that this robbery happened it's like no it's
just like you've got evidence you got photos you got it is what it is um but
it's there's there's these certain moments in history where not because
everyone's wanting everything to always be this way but because sometimes the
facts don't line up like they just don't line up with what we're told at all and
vegas is one of the most like most intensely like powerful tragic violent and
deadly of all of them and it's one of the ones where the facts line up less than
any other i totally it's one of them i'm actually shocked by this conversation
yeah someone with like a passing familiarity with that i thought but i just
didn't realize how absurd the story is like it's absurd and the crazy part is
how much there actually is right there open source like just vegas shooting map
dot com that i was telling you about just that one web page has just hours and
hours and hours of stuff that immediately disprove the the mainstream narrative
it was all there i mean vaccinating people you knew got covid i mean what i
remember this was happening all not that i knew a lot of vaccinated people i
tried not to spend time with i was always uncomfortable around the vaccinated
but um but i did know some and they all had covid and i'm like this is clearly a
lie and then every day you'd be like how many times they never got over because
they still have covid but then you'd watch on tv safe and effective you can't
get covid it's like how can they say that i just sat like a dog with my jaw open
like what is this am i watching this yeah i gotta ask you one last question um
so i've never seen anybody is about you i've never seen anybody sort of come to
prominence faster ever in our world and that's led to a lot of speculation that
you're a cia officer in disguise or i'm like massad yeah massad i hadn't even
seen that but yeah probably inside i guess and um so i you know my personal
explanation is just an amazing explainer and a diligent researcher and you're
really interested in what's true and those are the three qualities that make a
successful person in our world however it's worth asking like how the hell did
you get so famous so fast where did you come from and how did you decide to do
this yeah i uh i've told the story a few different times um but it's it is it's
i'll never get used to it it's wild it's bizarre to go from the life i had three
years ago to the life i live right now um but it was a combination of luck and
skill and timing i think as far as i can tell in that i did study the social
media landscape um to try to figure out how to get into it because i wanted to
get into it i at first i thought i was going to get into it with ultra running
content because i thought like you need to do something unique that's like
really special um and i thought well ultra running is cool and unique but
ultimately that's not that's like this weird ego mindset um that is not the way
to do anything in life least of all beyond the internet um and so in doing that
for about a year can you explain what that means just that that there's a lot of
dudes especially women have the same problem but it just presents differently i
think there's a lot of dudes with ego on the internet trying to show off how
freaking cool they are and you should subscribe because they're cool and that is
a hollow reason to follow someone and it's a hollow way to build an audience and
it's a hollow way to build your platform your job and your life because
inherently it's a it's a it's a dog eat dog world where everyone is just out for
themselves right it's a world where everyone that's doing it for those reasons
is just going to try to do what's going to make them look the coolest and be the
best yeah and inherently you're not the coolest no exactly you're not the
coolest you're just a dude we're all kind of absurd actually unfortunately by
the time i was kind of because i've worked in kitchens i'd worked in education
and teaching i'd worked i'd traveled and done travel work i'd done all sorts of
stuff throughout my life and by the time in my early 30s i was kind of wanting
to get into this um largely because of covid because i was like fuck working in
kitchens i'm done with that and i used to be doing kitchens line cooking kitchen
managing i love cooking on the line so cooking everything from breakfast cooking
to pizza to fine dining um are you a good cook yeah yeah really good cook i've
got i mean i've got like eight or nine years of experience like cooking all
sorts of different genres some really amazing co-workers actually oh yeah yeah
yeah and i like worked at a hand-thrown pizza place for a long time and i how'd
you stay so thin uh i have crohn's disease oh yeah and so it's like that then
that's actually where the ultra running was really interesting thing is that um
for me nutrition and health and food has always ever since i figured out what
was going on with my health uh nutrition health and food has been a huge part of
my life just getting getting right i had no choice thank god because then once i
got my health right i was like whoa it feels amazing to feel regular and amazing
and then i just like dove into fitness and running and all these things um and
so by the time i had kind of like covid had clearly woken me up to i don't want
a dead-end job and i don't want to work in kitchens and i don't want to live
this life anymore and i used to be a teacher i was raised by teachers i'm
supposed to be like my spark is for learning and for like sharing learning
because teaching is not really teaching teaching is sharing the experience of
learning exactly right it's sharing the spark and and i know that and i knew
that and so and i knew that learning happens where people pay attention not
where teachers tell people to pay attention and so if you really want to change
or inspire kids or like teach kids you got to be where they're looking which is
in here yes right and i knew that four years ago when i had kind of stopped my
last teaching gig i guess it was like three um but i was scared to take the leap
and somewhere during covet eventually it was just like whatever i'm into fine
let's start and i started in running content but it was just it was wrong and i
knew it was wrong but i learned a lot and i studied the industry while i was
doing it and then eventually i shut that down i was like i want because if
you're going to do this it's going to be your day job right and so if my day job
is to like make ultra running content and look really be really cool and stuff
then i have to go on an adventure every week i have to go do some new crazy like
athletic accomplishment every week to try to be cool on the internet which is a
horrible thing to do with your life yeah and it turns all of your fun adventures
exactly work right exactly and it's a bad business model if you're just thinking
about a business model and it's like well i should be doing information for a
million reasons and i flipped and switched um and right away i i mean i had some
skills that were really applicable and i had uh a lot of luck along the way of
people that i met and people that saw my stuff and people that enjoyed my
content but i had really good timing too where i started on tick tock right when
the censorship wasn't too bad and they're pushing longer videos and then i got
onto x right as diddy was happening and then candace found my diddy reporting
and kind of boosted me there and then i got into i intentionally got onto
youtube after trump was elected so that i wouldn't be throttled by old youtube
policies at least that was my theory um so i've had a mixture of factors but
ultimately i don't know man it's been crazy it's been a wild ride yeah i mean
you went from anonymous to famous like faster than it was uncomfortable on yeah
it's it's like the kind of thing where fortunately i don't have like i can only
imagine if you had like some weird fucked up life in your past and then suddenly
you are famous and you're like oh gosh because fortunately i was just like a
hippie that ran around the woods and like had taught kids and it's like it's
like cool whatever i'm perfectly proud of my life i have no issue no felony
record or anything exactly nothing no criminal record nothing crazy and it and
it's like but it still is like a weird like shift of how you like how your
privacy is like what does your family think like how do you kind of keep your
family safe from the public eye in general too um it's just a crazy transition
and and it's crazy to transition from being able to say whatever i wanted when i
was first starting because the whole point was to just do like i started the
first tick tock account called cancel this clothing company as in like cancel me
i'm gonna say some crazy shit i'm just a conspiracy theorist like i'm just gonna
do tinfoil but i was always actually just trying to do evidence-based trying to
figure out what the hell is going on out here and i knew that you need
permission in yourself to to go anywhere in order to figure it out it's like
growing up on 9 11 it's like well what the hell happened there and and it really
teaches you you have to be willing to like listen to crazy theories and digest
crazy ideas and worse maybe they're not true but you got to make sure they're
not and so i had thought that like i had started this whole thing just kind of
saying whatever i wanted doing whatever i wanted and as i kind of grew really
really fast like holy there's a lot of weight and gravity in what we do here
sure and it is and we are in a really charged and important time and i try to
hold both those truths at once now somehow so important because you can't like
acquiesce to the gravity of the situation and then like stiffen up and become
like calcified and just and just stay within your lines and be careful all the
time because sometimes you have to say audacious things and sometimes like
sometimes unbelievable things are what's really happening you have certainly to
think audacious things exactly and if you don't if you don't allow yourself if
you live you know in a mental prison you're you're gonna miss things and you got
to stay authentic too it's like if you are if you let you know the scope of the
task or the scope of the audience or whatever limit you and like constrain you
of course suddenly you're not authentic you're not doing what you're really
doing um but also you got to be careful to not you know be authentic in a way
that like you will regret which i actually love my favorite thing about this
industry and about this world this job is that social media in general and i and
i think i'm a huge proponent that other people start making things online um not
everyone should but there's a lot of people that are just scared to start but
they're like on twitter anonymously contributing to the conversation i'm like
dude make a video it's way easier for us to interact with you it's way easier
for us to understand you and the reason why i think this industry is so
wonderful is because it's sort of like the it's like your whole human self is
here in this because you're communicating things you're not just communicating
facts and information of it like a journalist you're also communicating like how
to live how to be like who are you like what's going on here what do you believe
right people choose what conversations to be a part of but ultimately like who
you are while you do this journey is immensely connected to how good you are at
the job oh right and how well you convey your message oh absolutely how well you
sort of like figure out the facts and so and you can go anywhere you want like
i've set up my platform in a way where like i can go make running content if i
want or i can go to a burger joint and eat a burger and support a family-owned
burger restaurant it's like i just launched an app that'll let me support family
and found our own businesses and stuff and and it's like i can do anything i
want here and and the only limiting factor is if i'm like whole and healthy and
happy and true to myself and there's really no other job like that teaching is
kind of like that and that how you show up in the classroom is like you're doing
this full human experience with other humans yes interfacing with them and
that's one of the the coolest things about teaching um and in some ways this is
very similar but but like making pizzas isn't like that you know delivering food
isn't like that i've done them both yeah it's fun and it's i highly recommend
that everyone do like some honest real like restaurant work blue collar work
construction work oh all that kind of stuff is like so freaking good no i was
forced to do it uh but i uh just on principle you know growing up i was a pizza
delivery boy i was a factory worker yeah a lot of fun to the gas station yeah
dishwasher but uh no i i completely agree with that so where will you be sort of
starting research next i am pretty dedicated to sticking with the charlie thing
for a while until we figure it out but it's but that's not your question um but
and well that is my question i mean so that's that's where your energy is
focused i i firmly believe that here's my perspective and my bias just to
qualify what i said before i'm sure people already know this but i believe that
what happened there was not what we were told and just like like as with las
vegas the moment that what you're told is not true a million other things
immediately come into play because why the fuck are you lying about it and then
like why so what is this because suddenly if it's even slightly not true we're
looking at a cover-up plus we're looking at a different perpetrator we're
looking at something else here and so when i look at charlie kirk's murder i see
what looks like a cover-up and i see that that's not true for many reasons but
then i can't square any other version of the story that is not one of the most
important political moments in our time right now in terms of the political
factions involved in terms of the shifting geopolitical relationships in the
world in terms of what's going to be happening to my people in america today and
now in like the unity or disunity that might we might experience over the next
10 years here and beyond and so when i think about like what's the most
important story that i can devote my time to figuring out right now to hopefully
ensure a better america for my children to grow up in it's charlie kirk um and i
don't know is that i don't really believe that we're really going to ever get an
answer um which is unfortunately a hallmark of these types of things but i'm
damn well going to spend my time to try um and that doesn't mean i'm going to
exclude everything else like for example i'm actually now now that you kind of
brought this uh vegas shooting back up i've gotten inspired where i want to go
back and learn a shitload more about that and kind of dig even deeper and get
more familiar with that because that will inform the other thing and then that
will inform the other thing so i'm very much focused on what happened to charlie
kirk and watching this trial play out and watching the spider webbing branches
of that play out but i'm also trying to shift back to i would mention this app
so i'm shifting back to um folks on corporate corruption in america as well
because in a lot of ways like the big like tin foily like 911 kind of things
they're fun but like how your food is being poisoned and how the corporations
are being incentivized to basically all over us and take all of our money like
those sorts of things affect our day-to-day lives right private equity affects
like like real people every day in america so there's that's a very much more
grounded thing that i'm trying to focus on and then the other thing is um well
actually i shouldn't really talk about that story yet but i have a i have a
friend that is on a story that uh is kind of like a financial thing that we'll
we'll look into later so in carol thank you for spending all this time it's been
a pleasure man i feel like i was about to say i i've been a long time fan but
you've only been here three years so but i am a fan and uh i think you're brave
and and really really interesting and and trustworthy so thank you it was an
honor thanks