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Nick Griffin in Ulster - Major Interview

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Guys and Dolls so here is the video and the interview from last night and it is Nick Griffin the ex-leader of the British National Party and you know one of the things that has always intrigued me about him is like the work that he put in back in the day you know the stance that he was taking and you know the opposition that he came up against from many different quarters he's without a doubt the original person that brought the grooming gangs to fruition not taking it away from Tommy of course of the work that Tommy's put in but it needs to be known that Nick was one of the first guys to ever bring it to public domain one of the fastest political parties ever to grow in United Kingdom as far as I'm led to believe and yeah he's been things that he was saying back then we're saying today but back then Like I say, these are not the opinions of Freedom Dad or the Freedom Dad team or anybody around Freedom Dad.

This is an interview with a man who has the right to have an opinion and this is what I think needs to happen in Britain. I think everybody needs to have their say. No more sentences, no more shutting people down. and maybe, just maybe, Northern Ireland will get things right and save our future and our culture and our traditions for our children. Just maybe, who knows, but it's not from Lagatran. Enjoy.

You want to review the citizenship of those people given citizenship in the last 10 years or so. What would be the criteria for that?

Well, it's very precise. We want to review the citizenship of people who have been granted British citizenship since 1997. Given that it now emerges from new Labour circles that they've used mass immigration deliberately as a political tool.

So anyone who is on benefits at the moment, or unemployed at the moment, and anyone who doesn't speak English, you would scrap their citizenship and deport them.

We would certainly look at their citizenship with a view to saying their presence in this country isn't helping this country. It's not fair on the taxpayers and the poor of this country and therefore they should go.

Okay. You also say you'll have this voluntary repatriation scheme. How much would you offer people like me to leave the country if we wanted to?

There's a voluntary resettlement scheme in Britain at present. It's been there since 1971, but very little money is spent on it. We'd look to spend something towards nine billion a year on it, which is what we at present waste in foreign aid. In fact, the best foreign aid you can give to a country, say like Malawi, is their doctors and their nurses back rather than stealing them as cheap labour over here. But per person, what would I get? Well, in all probability, we'd be targeting this aid of people who really aren't contributing to this society. And overall, on balance, despite the fact you're a journalist, I think you do. So we wouldn't be keen, particularly, to pay taxpayers' money to get rid of you. Oh, you'd like me to stay? I'm very flattered. We're looking at probably £50,000 a head, which out of the £9 billion at present wasted in foreign aid would mean that there'd be about 180,000 people paid to leave this country if they want to go each year.

Imagine the benefit that would have in terms of relieving the pressure on housing in the NHS. £50,000 a year, is that a fair figure? The number of £50,000 per person per year, sorry, yes, per person. That's about right. Not per year, but just to go and not to come back.

guys and those freedom dad here and I'm here with Nick Griffin I'm absolutely honored to be here with a man who has been ahead of his game in the right wing of Great Britain and does not get enough credit so he doesn't as far as I'm concerned so hi Nick I'm just going to set this mic up hi thanks all good yeah obviously

everyone knows I'm stopped more and more with people saying wish we'd listened to you years ago everybody knows that we were saying it

way way before anybody else yeah yeah well it seems to be the common census now with the right wing um you know going right back to in Nepal we give them many men right now who have been ahead of their time and were called far right and racist because of their their rhetoric or their the ideology of what they knew needed to be done um for one of a better way i could explain it you know re-migration was never off the cards as far as you're concerned it was the only solution

we were from the very beginning i joined the national front in 1974. i've been a young conservative before that and people in the conservative party on the power side were saying we need it wasn't re-migration then it was repatriation and i god knows how many thousands of stickers i put up as a 16 17 year old stop immigration start repatriation we had marches protests the national front then the british national party so yep that was the thing but When I really got involved in the BNP in 1970, sorry 1996 I did a tour around all the branches with a speaking tour with the same message to every single one of them look we've got 25 years before demographically this is so much against us not just them coming in having more kids it's also our people not having enough children so our population aging and then starting to shrink we've got 25 years to turn this around and after that that is the end of the window for doing this through the parliamentary process so I always believed in Repatriation, which is what people would now call remigration.

But quite simply, we're out of time. There is no possibility of remigration happening now. Certainly not this side of a civil war. It simply is not possible. We are going to be a minority in our own country. And all the newcomers to this say, oh, yeah, it's the end. We'll all be murdered in our beds. Bullshit. If you think that you're going to be murdered in your beds just because you're a minority, look at how the loyalists in Ireland, the Protestants in Ireland, have been a minority for 400 years. Sometimes they have been murdered in their beds, but the community is still here as strong as ever. Now the loyalists are a minority even in Northern Ireland. Well, the loyalists aren't going to be genocided because they're strong, they've got a well-organized community, and they can stand up for themselves. The problem we've now got for the Brits in Britain is that we're a present majority, Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale We can't say that now because the British people are wide awake.

You can see that. So now we can start to organize to defend our communities. And as long as the community is well organized, then it's not under threat. No one's going to announce their kids. No one's going to murder their lads. No one's going to put them to the back of the queue because you can't mess around with an organized community.

Yeah. Yeah. So. I was going to start at the beginning where you were putting the stickers up because I believe where we are in Northern Ireland is where you were then. Yes. Does that make sense?

It's very different in Northern Ireland. You've still got time to keep this place.

For whatever reason it is, you're right, we have good time. So what's your advice to us with what you've experienced and what we see that the men with the voices and the men with the answers and the men trying to awaken the rest of their communities up um of what's coming the dangers that are coming replacement um what what what what advice do you have for the people of northern elm for people like me for people uh other guys and get coming up and putting flags up the ebfd we've got the concern parents group in newton abbey um we've got guys in bangers other You've got people here, you've got Stevie Baker, you've got Lindsay Brown, you've got Patriotic Media, you know there's quite a lot of all-star men and women here standing up right now. And then you've got the supporters of these people, the supporters of me who are all awake. What's your message to them, the people who are already awake and working?

That's the first thing because I'm going to go through it. So we're talking about us guys. What's your message to us? You're the best man, I believe, to give this advice because of what you've went through back in the day. Okay.

So starting off the absolute basic is have children, or if you're too old to have children, try and make sure that your children have grandchildren. or in your community. It's quite difficult for young couples to think, well, can we afford children, all the rest of it? So organize to help that. So when the family have stopped having kids, well, they've still got prams and all sorts of baby kit. Well, don't throw it away or give them to charity. Collect it. So it's for the community because in the end, to start with beginning and end, we are in a demographic war. If you don't have children, you lose the demographic war. And even if you're too old to have kids, you can do things to help other people in your community have children. So that's the first thing. Secondly, in Northern Ireland, there's no doubt about it that there's very powerful forces and nature pushing mainland Britain towards a civil war.

right and we're going to get it in the next five years or something if not a full-on civil war something that looks very much like Belfast 1972 with thousands of people being forced from their homes and all the rest of it now there's very large numbers of Brits who got some connection to this place or regard themselves as you know British Patriots and understand a bit about the old loyalist thing and so on or for that matter on the other side of the old divide there's huge numbers of people living in Britain who have Irish ancestry and so on. When the shit hits the fan on the mainland, thousands of people are going to come across here as refugees. It's happening already, actually. There's about 10,000 at least, might be more than that, people from the mainland coming to live in Northern Ireland every single year. And there's thousands of people from the mainland going to live in Southern Ireland as well as new Irish citizens.

So the question is, that people need to think about now is how are we going to integrate these people into our community? And it doesn't matter. I don't take a sectarian position here. If they're going to Southern Ireland, they've got to be integrated into the ways, the old ways of the Irish. So whether it's the Gaelic, the GAA or learning Gaelic or whatever it is, they've got to become Irish citizens. And here, if they're coming in here and they're moving into, say, Sandy Row, where it's emptying out for demographic reasons or the Shankill, there's some spare housing there. So they or their kids have got to be got into the bans They've got to be made part of this community Whichever side of the fence of the old community is Because you've got these huge numbers of reinforcements coming And where you're rightly worried And people over here, the people who are wide awake Are rightly worried about the fact that we've got vast numbers of non-whites And people particularly worried about Islam Because obviously it's a unifying factor for them and so on So if you're worried about them, rightly so then the answer to that is our own refugees coming here and being integrated into the community so numerically and physically and morally it gives you a stronger community to stand your ground.

We've already got churches built and chapels built to accommodate any of the Protestant Catholic religion as we don't have any mosques built. Our infrastructure isn't set up for Islam. we'll go back to that but you touched on civil war and I have heard you speak about it before and you know it is because I'm from Northern Ireland we're brought up in the 70s and 80s and you know the early 80s before the ceasefires you know we have had our civil unrest on the streets and you know there's been quite violent with petrol bombs and all sorts of incendiary devices as well it's been quite a horrific

time for everybody involved I was imported down in 1986

11th of 9th so you know my high heart is but my question when you experienced that did you see us gain an inch in Duncree no this is my point you know so we're seasoned radders if you want and we never seem to gain an inch because you know the security services have been doing this for a long time so we're I look at England and I see a big massive country unlike Northern Ireland where we're quite 2 million of us it's quite small compared to the mainland so I imagine when we talk about civil war it will be maybe pockets here and there you know how do you really think the English people will fare and is it that type of civil war If you can elaborate on what is the civil war? Is it the English against foreigners? Is it the English against the government?

It's a very good question. The actual enemy in this is the state, the government, the institutions of the state. They're the enemy. Most of the immigrants who come here, for one reason only, they want a better life for their kids. many of them because their countries have been smashed up either by uh western big business western banks or western bombs yeah and if we hadn't ruined their countries fewer of them would come here in the end yes they're drawn here there's a pull factor of the benefits system so of course uh you know we all know that but there is also a push factor you know if you stand by while Israel destroys the whole of Gaza and the whole of Lebanon what do you expect but to get hundreds of thousands of their immigrants Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale that should be against the state and the people running it the people have imposed this on us and them when it finally comes down to it it ends up just you know communal which is part of the horror of it and the real problem yeah people say all the British Army the British police could control or control trouble well if there's trouble in one place they can control that but when the the British Army was twice three times the size it is now back in the 70s and 80s and they couldn't control Belfast and Londonderry and South Armagh with 400 IRA men at the peak of it.

How the hell are they going to control London, Birmingham, Bradford and all the rest? And the real trouble with this is that if it kicks off in one place, they can probably control it. But there comes a point when it's kicked off in seven or eight places at once. They can't control it. And then it's just human nature. There's us and them. you know and everything escalates and it could be really really bloody now I don't want to see a civil war the reason I got involved in politics in the first place was right right back my father was in India at the end of the Second World War in the RAF and he was there when it started to fall apart in communal violence and he and many other ex-servicemen came back having seen This is what happens in a multicultural society, which India was, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and so on. And this is why we don't want to see it in Britain on the mainland, because you import these people, you're importing these troubles.

One day it'll happen here. That's what Powell said in 1968. and he said by the year 2000 it'll be five percent non-white and after that it'll get worse because it's much much worse if anything if anything Powell underestimated how bad it was going to get so that's why I got involved in politics and always said these people must be stopped coming in and they need to go not because they're bad people necessarily but because if they don't one day you've got this risk and we've now got this risk and on top of the fact there's a natural problem you've got a huge number of people from Tommy Robinson through the GB news basically there's a Zionist run funded fifth column trying to do trying to plunge mainland Britain into civil war and it's not that difficult to do because people are rightly angry about the grooming gangs and all the rest of it so it's not that difficult to do they'd already done it if it wasn't for that that actually the Muslim community is beginning to age more of their kids are going to university and they don't actually want a civil war 20 years ago they've been up for it but now actually they don't the push comes to shove you know we get we're going to get it and the reason these people are pushing for a civil war in Britain isn't because they're thinking if Britain carries on as it is with the Brits become a minority and they might eventually disappear no it's because they want us to go and fight for Israel it's because they want us so fighting mad that will allow the government to carry on using our taxes to fund genocide in the Middle East so it's that they've got this political thing and these people don't like Britain The people going back a little bit further, these same kind of people, they're the very ones who push mass immigration into Britain.

If you look at the fact that we've got race laws, the race laws that we've got, which have nearly sent me to jail, which has sent hundreds of people, thousands of people to prison, they were designed by an ultra-Zionist Israeli supremacist legal firm in London, Byman and Leicester, they invented the laws that stopped us speaking out against the coming destruction of our country these people aren't on our side so they're going to try and drive us into a civil war which will be a disaster and the real trouble with the civil war is no one's going to win it we're not going to win it we haven't got the numbers anymore we haven't got enough young men and what do you think the combined loyalists of northern ireland so you may need for the purposes for the sake of uh english viewers of this or american viewers perhaps put some clips in the combined loyalists of east belfast in a time early 1970s when it was full of young men in gangs the tartan gangs and so on they can all the loyalists of east belfast couldn't ethnically cleanse the short strand five or six little catholic republican streets if they couldn't do that how on earth are the of the English going to get rid of six or seven million Muslims simply isn't going to happen we'll have a civil war for 30 years at the end of it the men who were young when it started will see their own sons about to get it or grandsons about to get into the same thing they'll be so sick and tired that they'll simply say tell you what we'll have a piece and someone with lots of money whether it's China or Russia or Russia or America will come in and say to the to the gangsters and the psychopaths who by then are running the physical force of both sides or all the sides they'll come and say we'll pay you lots of money to go to peace and all the ordinary people will have is ruined lives and fill graveyards and at the end of it we end up with a divided, vulcanised Britain where we live in our areas and they live in their areas and we hope one day as their countries come up as they probably will because they're going to be dealing with China rather than America running things as their countries come up and our countries are bankrupt shambles they'll increasingly go home and we'll get our Britain back in about three or four generations but we're not going to get it back through a civil war which is where we're going to push us so what I would rather do is simply talk with these people and work out how do we agree now to divide because some people say oh the problem with these Muslims and so on they won't integrate one why should they integrate with a Britain which is a cesspit of LGBT just utter filth and so on to I don't want to integrate with them because if we integrate if we integrate on a mass scale with Africans and Asians when we're only eight percent of the world population and we're already nearly a minority in our own country will simply cease to exist so I want Society where our community doesn't matter whether it's the absolute total majority or a small majority or a large minority, our community, our kids and our grandchildren.

go out with and marry and have kids with our children and they keep them in our community following our culture and our faith.

So you're talking about the solutions right so I need to get my head around this because I'm not talking about Northern Ireland we're talking about the mainland because it represents us it's part of the union that we love so dearly so the demographic is changing right and we don't even know the numbers right so there was a woman called Labuna Talks a Pakistani woman on on YouTube and she was saying it could be twice or three times the amount that the government are saying the government don't know how many non-returns there is three visas yeah right so we're totally oblivious to really the figures there's a possibility that the figures you know that are in the country compared to us and the demographic of the death and births on both sides that there could be no stopping what's coming you know you seem to be confident and you're saying there is hope there I think yeah obviously

there's a lot more illegals that we don't know about that they won't admit but something that gives me heart is the organised Muslim community they've got a vested interest in bigging up how many of them they are and how much power they have So they reckon that there's about 3 million Muslim voters in Britain. Right. Now, if they could get away with claiming 4 million, they could, because it would make them seem more important. And they said by 2050, there's going to be 8 million Muslim voters. So it's not that far away. It's a hell of a lot. But you know how many non-registered Brits there are? Brits aren't even registered to vote on the mainland. 40%. Well, it's not as much as that, but there's 10 million people who are legally in Britain, not registered to vote. Now, every single Muslim who's legally in Britain, I assure you, is registered to vote because they get that numbers in votes is political power.

And that means more money shoveled into your council as opposed to someone else's council. So there's no unregistered Muslims in Britain, apart from the absolutely illegals who are in your hiding and the military age young men, especially. But out of the ordinary Muslim community who are the ones breeding, they They're all registered to vote. The same with the Sikhs, the same with the Hindus, the same with the black African Christians and so on. They all know that having votes, like Sinn Féin especially, we're really good at it. Vote early, vote often. So you don't have your own people unregistered. So out of those 10 million not registered to vote on the mainland but entitled Living Britain, my guess is that at least a million of them are basically feral young Afro-Caribbeans and so on. But probably 8 million of them are people. the last general election Keir Starmer was elected a landslide with nine million votes yeah so there's nearly 25 percent of the vote yeah there's nearly as many people not registered to vote British people not registered to vote as who voted for the Labour Party and there's nearly three times more unregistered Brits than there are registered Muslim voters so if people like Restore and so on gave up pretending that they're suddenly going to be the government in three years time and instead understood and told their people they've got a lot of people.

This is a long term struggle. One of the very first things we do is we start to sink roots in our communities. We make sure that everybody is registered to vote, just like the loyalists did when it came to the campaign against Bobby Sands and all the rest of it. That's what you've got to do. That's the first thing. So it's not as bad as it appears there. Secondly, and obviously all the people trying to drive ordinary Brits mad with fear, They're still saying, oh, look at all these fast-breeding Muslims. They're going to swamp you. It's bullshit. Quite simply, they were breeding a lot faster than us. Their population, their birth rate has just dropped off a cliff in the last few years, and it's still getting lower. So the birth rate of the Muslim population in Britain, particularly the Pakistanis and the Bangladeshis, is now 2.3 children per woman a child-bearing age. That's it. No, there's the problem because so they are they're lower now than where we were in the 1960s and they're carrying on they're dropping down really fast primarily for the reason that 70% of their girls are now going to university the minute they go to university well they're not going to be interested in well one they got a damn great student debt two they got the idea they have a career and let's face it they're pushed and positive discrimination means they get jobs where you know our sons or grandsons wouldn't yeah so they're all getting careers and so on uh they're discovering the you know feminist ideas because they've been there they're highly sexed people that's hence the grooming gangs you can't have highly sexed males without highly sex women even if they're repressed so once they're out of university they're running around with English lads they're going to go home to the the ones who want to have lots of kids the Muslim boys who you use the term pussy eater as a slur and who have no interest no knowledge they're so insecure about women that they want to shag a 13 year old girl rather than a proper woman so they're going to have no appeal to their to their women right so that so their population is going to drop even faster over the next few years and that's going to go on and on and on so all we've got to have now as he said the problem is they're at present 2.3 Within five or six years, they'll be on two women of childbearing age and it'll drop below that.

The problem isn't them. The problem is us. I come back to it that before my personal position is that no one should be entitled to have any position of any kind of authority, any white indigenous British organization, unless they've got at least two children. Because if you haven't, what the hell is someone doing snivelling about we're being replaced when they haven't got children themselves? Now, if someone is too old to have them now that they can't undo what's been done by, you know, 30 years not having kids, well, then they can make amends in other ways. But anyone who's young enough to have children who doesn't have them has no right to call themselves a nationalist leader because this is a demographic war. And the only way you win that is to have kids. And we can do that. We can outbreed those people in our country. And like I say, so yes, by 2060, we're going to be a minority in our own country, but we will still be by far the largest minority.

and as long as we're an organized minority. It's not ideal.

How can you be a minority and be the largest minority? You're either a minority or you're not a minority.

No, no, absolutely not. If everyone coming in was one population, so take all the labels off, supposedly they were all North Korean, right? Once we're 49% and there's 51% North Korean, we're an absolute minority. But they're not. There's us and once the 51% is part Muslim, part Hindu, they'll fight each other more than they'll fight our Sikh Africans Christian Africans Muslim Africans all sorts of other people half a million Roman Gypsies so

what if we see a future where we have a right-wing um party like rupert lowe coming up and um you know the rat the rhetoric is it's re-migration and needs to be big changes made would that not push all the foreigners to go behind one one party we're saying would yeah it might tend

it might tend to um and if the british were prepared to fight and win a civil war and have a ruined country, but it's all, you know, their own. And then perhaps it could be done.

Realistically, it's not going to be done. What do we fight the civil war with? Because this isn't America.

You fight a civil war with people. You fight a civil war with young men who are willing to fight. So I'm not for one moment. Anyone who says you've got to bring in guns is either a total fool or they are a grass working for the state. and you don't need guns at this stage you don't need any what you need is what you need not even well the other side only has that but no all you need is young men who are willing when the time comes to use whatever is necessary and we're not even people say we got ready to fight a civil war most of our young men couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag and that's not a matter of physics and training physical stuff and training it's a mentality thing that's completely soft and pussified millions and millions and millions of them and they also they're all selfish and no one is selfish and godless and selfish and godless you will not put yourself in harm's way for the sake of your people.

So the thing we need to be doing a present the first stage of this is to be making our young men women as well to a degree young men especially turning into people who think about us me the keys are winning anything whether it's a demographic war of a moderate civil war all-out genocidal civil war the key is whether you have how people think do they think about I do they think about we

yeah we need to change our pronouns so how do we what Nick Griffin saying we need

to change our pronouns we need to change our program pronouns from I and me to

and mine and to we and us and ours. And that's the stage at which we need to be doing. So how do we...

Sorry, one more thing there just to finish off. It doesn't matter whether you think that there's going to be a political solution or a little civil war or a full and civil war. Until our people think in terms of we and us, we're going to lose whatever's going to come. Since we don't know for sure what's going to come, we should be concentrating at present on us and our

and Alice. So how do we do that in the current climate of the far left, the socialists, the communists, it's in our schools, it's in our universities, it's in our social work, it's in our police, it's in our courts, it's everywhere, it's the Fabian Society, some people will call it, and they've been doing this for a very long time and they're very, very clever. How do we do this? Because you're talking like organising and trying to Bring what's right, the patriotism, the Britishism, the fight into the people, but they would also say you're going along with domestic terrorism, you're going against the government, you're far right, you're racist, everything that we've been dealing with. How is it possible in the world we live in today to bring that proudness and fight back?

Good question. Well, again, there's a number of things that can be done. So the first thing, coming back for a moment, having children, there's no point having children if once they're five or six, you then just give them to the state you give them to your enemies to educate ie indoctrinate so we have to move very very rapidly to homeschooling and if they ban homeschooling as they might yeah then you have to ban move to a position whereby well so your kids have got to go to school Monday to Friday but they're not at school on Saturday when you hold your own classes and so on so people might say oh that's so far too difficult the gypsies real I'm talking real gypsies every gypsy has three names He has the name his mother gives to him, which only he and his mother know. He has the name which he has within his clan, within the other gypsies, and he has the name he uses with the gorger, with the rest of us.

Usually Smith. And if the gypsies, who are not exactly a high IQ people, they're not exactly immoral people, they're nothing like the quality of our people, if they can do that, then why the hell can't we do that and i'm not saying that the child has to have a totally different name i'm saying if um it was illegal to teach your children to be proud to be british if it was illegal to say to them uh that when you're older you should only go out with a girl or a boy from your own people and so on if those things were illegal you simply do it the way that the catholics did at one stage and for that matter the presbyterians in hedge schools you do it undercover you simply don't engage with the state and it's carry on now yes occasionally you'll get caught and you go to prison well so what you know that that doesn't that doesn't really matter so there's things like that need to be done then everything that the movement needs to be doing again I come back to a present it's a tragedy that they're all thinking we're going to win the elections we'll simply wave a magic wand and they'll all go home it's nonsense the trouble with that is that say Rupert Lowe he's got now and it's an incredible thing he's got an organization which is literally 10 times larger than the British National Party had Now, we shook the British state in electoral terms and so on for more than 10 years.

We horrified them. Now, Lowe's got 10 times that. So if he said to our people, to his people at present, he's saying, look, we're going to win the general election in 2029. So basically, you've got to do nothing. Perhaps at most, come along and help us electorally campaign. So in 2029, when he doesn't win the election, when the only thing he can possibly do is ensure that the successor of Keir Starmer wins the election by utterly dividing the so-called right wing vote. I've got no time for Farage.

That's what's going to happen.

At the end of that, he'll actually be quite hated because millions of Brits will think he's the man who let Andy Burnham and his green Marxist Islamist coalition take over and there'll be nothing if he would say to his 10 times more activists than the BNP ever had right right now in all these working class constituencies where basically the police have withdrawn from these areas every single one of you is going to set up a community patrol and when that one's working well, you'll set up another one and another one. So you'll end up in a parliamentary constituency with, say, 10 of these community patrols. And then as you sink routes into the community, you look around and you say, well, the old Citizens Advice Bureau is closed down and the old community centre has closed down and so on. So we're going to open our own community centre and advice centre and just step by step, he's got the money he's got the people and that's what they should be doing just building the infrastructure of people who simply look after things themselves because especially because of the Iran war disaster and the closure of the straits straight to Hormuz Everyone seems to think, oh, it's sort of something happened.

It's not really going to be a big deal. It's a huge deal. There's enormous economic pain and social pain coming our way. And one of the things that's going to happen is the state will withdraw from even more of our lives. So if you still got granny in your area with meals on wheels, you're not going to have that in a year's time. So once you've got a community base, then you start doing things like soup kitchens for people who are really hungry and meals together once a fortnight. on a big scale just to bring people together and instead of old age pensioners dying in their flat and rotting for six months or ex servicemen dying on the street because in the in the cold instead of that you're you're organizing food for your own people what if you can organize food for your own people you can also organize to look after huge numbers of our own refugees when it all hits the fan on the mainland and so on so you can actually start doing things.

The idea first came into our heads in the National Front going back a long long time ago from Italy and they call it counter power. Now I appreciate the sort of ideas I'm talking about are unfamiliar to people and especially they've been thinking oh Nick's just going to come across and say everyone's awake we can win an election now so it's a bit heavy. to look at more of what I'm saying I've got it on Substack I write there as Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale and in particular got a series of articles called what is to be done and it's set out in a much greater detail there I'll stick the links

down for you thanks so yeah so just so because I always try and do this in layman's terms and like I'm always learning and I'm not educated I you know do this because I love my country you know I mean I've been following this for the last 25 years and was supporting Tommy Robinson and supporting anything to do with the right now I'm not racist or far right I've just seen a problem with Islam was the main one you know I mean and then I've seen with the voting with Labour and things have been happening and just what I call the deep state in Britain the conspiracy theories and rabbit holes that people all turned out they're all starting to come true with the Freedom of Information Act and stuff like that and you know it is difficult so you're saying that we can do this with community there is going to be all different groups and we're going to be the biggest minority in the groups and we've got this way of looking out for ourselves but you're also talking about civil war So which one is it?

Is there different options on the table? Is there different end games?

There's not really a different end game. We could perhaps move to the society I'm talking about where our people are safe because we look after our own people and so on. It's not an ideal situation but we are where we are. So we could perhaps move to that without civil war because as I say in particular lots of the Muslims don't want it. They know they're going to take a hiding in many areas. They don't want it.

But what about the extremists? There's extremists who are constantly saying they're here to take over, they're here to fly the ISIS flag above parliament and Windsor Castle and all the rest of it. Yes.

One, there's not many of them and it's decreased. Back in the BNP days my phone number was freely available all over the place and I got phoned virtually every day by young Muslims screaming abuse they were going to behead me and rape my wife and daughters blah blah blah and quite often I'd end up I'd come down and say and I can tell you that 20 years ago their population was much more radical than it is now for the simple reason that this intense Islamist radicalism doesn't doesn't come out of nowhere it came from Saudi Arabia and Qatar and the fact that our governments had allowed them to pour their extraordinary extreme form of Islam into the heads and into the madrasas and the mosques of Muslims in Britain and they were pushing it really hard since about 2008 the Saudis and especially especially they simply they've sold themselves out to Zionism they simply one of the people the bosses Saudi Arabia simply want to make lots of money they go through the motions pretending to be Muslim they're turning it into a slight and LGBT rainbow flag form of Islam they're no longer pushing this hardcore extremism yes exactly they're no longer pushing that to their people so the Muslim

Brotherhood still is but are they not still funding mosques and things going on

they're still funding the mosques but they're no longer funding that extreme radicalism and the people who are the Zionist types and the Zionist tools like Tommy who are trying to force us just to take simplistic line that all Muslims are highly extreme. We've got to support Israel and blah, blah, blah. They're not pointing out naturally enough that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are not natural things that grew out of Islam. I'm no friend of Islam. I'm a Christian for a start. But they didn't grow out of that. They were deliberately pushed and created by the British Secret Service, the American Secret Service, and by Israeli Secret Service, the Mossad. So all the stuff, all the extremism, from Muslims actually comes from evil people on what you think is our side of the civilizational fence. Basically, we've got to see Iran crushed because Iran's the source of all this Muslim terrorism. And I'll tell you, the Iranians are one of the main nations that fought ISIS to a standstill while Obama was arming them.

and while the David Cameron turned the the British Air for the Royal Air Force into their air force when they were allowed to destroy Libya. So no, not every Muslim belongs with them. And actually people who run around saying they all do and basically want to demonize them all in their ideal world, go and burn down all their mosques. They will indeed force all young Muslims onto the radical side, but they don't necessarily belong on that radical side. Basically to say, oh, look at what this this ultra extremist is saying. he represents them all that's just the same as looking at some crazed uh American or Hollywood influenced Nazi complete with his stupid swastika arm band saying we're gonna gas everybody and so on and then all the blacks in Britain thinking oh

all white people think that it simply isn't simply simply isn't true right so when we're talking about the after she touched on that a bit then I see so like with Christians we've We've got the terrorism, we've got the IRA, UVF, UDA, INLA, they're like Mickey Mouse terrorist organisations compared to some of these other ones and we do have Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Boko Haram and the rest and they are very extreme and they have committed some horrific crimes, you know what I mean, like over 20,000 terrorist offences around the world at one stage in one year, you know what I mean, so it's not something just to be overlooked when you're in your country, do you believe Islam is a will isn't a peace?

No, it's not. It's a religion which has an innately radical and violent strand more than Christianity, for the key reason that the violence which is in the Bible is in the Old Testament, and it's abrogated by the New. by Jesus in his words whereas in the Quran it tends to be the other way around and the peaceful stuff which when I was first exploring this and I was saying look there's all these violent verses and all I ever got from leftists and from Muslims and so on was saying oh it's a religious religion of peace look at the peaceful verses so when I looked into this and I found that the peaceful verses are from the time when Muhammad was weak and the violent verses of when he's strong therefore and the peaceful ones are therefore abrogated so yes it is innately there's that innate violent tendency in it but what I discovered you know more recently especially being in Syria and looking at what was going on there and really finding out about things is that very large numbers of Muslims do interpret the Quran so the Quran says you can't or the hadiths and so on and the hardliners so you can't interpret it it's got to be literal so you've got to cut the heads of the believers and all the rest of it the majority of Muslims throughout history have actually believed that you do interpret it and the interpretation is that that's when you're at war and we're not at war therefore it's it's it's not right to do it you must not do it so if we push them into a war we will get it but they're not as hell-bent on the conquest of all the rest of the world as we are led to believe now the Muslim Brotherhood if you really want to look at how counter power works look at the Muslim Brotherhood because they're brilliant at it They help with the fact that Qatar was funding with huge sums of money for a long while.

But nevertheless, yeah, so they're a radical strand, but they're not all like that. And the majority of them now in Britain, actually, just when it got on, And the more people scream and shout about them, and especially do things which get up their noses, which are wrong, the more radical you make them. So there's two ways, in fact, in which the liberals and the Zionists are pushing Muslims to be far more dangerous than they otherwise would be and need be. The first is when the liberals in this country are pushing all the LGBT stuff. Now, we hate it. But if you come from a much more religious family background, as many Muslims do, but of course they look at that and they are disgusted by modern Britain and it's going to tend to turn them against that and if you're a Muslim how do you react against the degeneracy of modern Britain a place that would make the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah blush well one way to do it the most likely way is to become a harder core better Muslim so the more decadent the West becomes the more we push them to go in that road and if you actually want to keep them on side to a degree you simply got to say no we also as Christians and indigenous Brits we also believe that anyone pushing the LGBT trans thing on children is a child molester Lester and needs to be forced out of government, out of the schools and all the rest of it.

So that would help a great deal. The other thing is the sheer wicked injustice of what the Israelis and our governments are doing to the people of Palestine. Every time people say, oh, that's grand because they're Muslims, you radicalize more Muslims against that.

Can we separate the Jewish people from the Israeli government?

Yes, absolutely you can. So... The largest demonstrations in the world basically for peace and against what Netanyahu is doing are by Jews in Israel because many of them don't like what he's doing.

Would you call Netanyahu like Stormers the same sort of ideology? No, he's a fascist.

He's a simple... Are they ethno-nuts? They're extreme ethnonats. Yeah, exactly. Now, I haven't got a problem with Jews being ethnonationalists and wanting to put their people first. I think that it's very foolish of them to do it in such a brutal way at the expense of the Palestinians. I have a problem with all these people, and all the Tommy Tards basically are the same. up when they say that or until recently that they're now talking out white this white that but historically these people and the and the ethno-nationalist Jews it's ethno-nationalism for them but we can't have it yeah exactly if they want it is absolutely fine if they have it if we have it it's because we're Nazis we're going to gas everybody so and it's the hypocrisy of that which is simply unacceptable and they push that very hard so yeah Netanyahu and co the Likud ideology comes from it's a mixture of 19th century European imperialism and colonialism with early 20th century fascism and they they worked the Zionists worked hand in glove with Hitler and with Mussolini for years particularly with Hitler they were literally Jewish fascists and they're still Jewish fascists and especially the Jewish left don't like that now so and many Jews are not Zionist there's a significant minority of religious Jews regard Zionism as a heresy because it's man and it's a reticle and they want the destruction of the Israeli state and its replacement by secular Palestine in which they would happily live as Jews.

So they want that. There is another issue with this and especially the left who say we're opposed to Zionism and so on. They will never talk about Jewish racist supremacism. which is what the roots of Zionism are and they are an extraordinary racist people the Talmud which is not the book of the Old Testament Jews it's quite it's a much more it's a medieval invention the Talmud is for the most disgusting poison about Gentiles and about Jesus Christ and all the rest of it and that extraordinarily vicious racism runs through an awful lot of Jews and the really good wide awake ones actually oppose it. And if you if you if you want to look into this, you'll find people like, get it, get it, that's one Israel Shamir. These are Jews who say the intense racism in our community, which our children and grandchildren are forced, is dangerous to us. It's dangerous to the entire world. So it's not all Jews, but we've got a problem with Zionism and with the double standards of the Israeli lobby and with the intense hatred of our people which comes out of Talmudism so

We touched on Tom here, we're talking about Zionism, it's the talk of the steamy right now, everybody's talking about it, it's difficult to avoid and it's difficult to talk about, you know what I mean? So I want to ask you, what happened back in the day? I'll get the Nigel Farage, but I want you to give me an idea of the right, the young men who were coming up in the early days in the BNP, and the Tommy Robinson movement and all the other people, all the names that we know, all the fallouts, what's went wrong? Because surely if, you know, think on India just now about Nigel Farage, we will get that. If you hadn't have been stopped the way you were stopped and many men like, yeah, we wouldn't be in this position today where we're having these types of conversations.

Things would be very different, I would say. So, I was elected to lead the British National Party in 1999 at that point there were a few other sort of near rival movements within a couple of years the BNP was simply obviously the only game in town so the National Front still existed in theory as it still exists in theory today doesn't really it's not a functioning thing so the BNP became the only game in town and we were the only game in town originally from 2001 until 2009 other in European elections, it was UKIP, Nadja Farage's party to a degree, but everything else, it was us. And I was approached in 2008 by obviously clearly a young Mossad type operative and offered the opportunity to ally the British National Party with the Israeli cause. and I said well what's going on here is this because you right-wing Jews have realized that what the left-wing Jews like Soros has been doing destroying our country mass immigration all the rest of it if you've realized this is bad for you and actually you need a lifeboat in Western Europe in case it all goes wrong in Israel if you realize that then I'd be happy to work with you yeah because and they they showed me particularly they got us some fantastic publicity on TV and radio I said you can have as much of that as you need you know have all the funding that you need So I said, well, if you've realized that, then yeah, we can do a deal.

But if you want me as a British nationalist to say, yeah, we'll support your wars in Israel, we'll send our boys to fight and die in Afghanistan, in Iraq or in Iran, wherever you want it. Absolutely not. So he said, well, I'll take that back to my people and so on. And obviously it was the wrong answer. Because whereas people like Marine Le Pen did the deal and are now huge and so on, uh my answer was not right from that day forth we had a war of political extermination against the British National Party and internal infiltration and exploitation of divisions and mistakes and so on was part of it but primarily there were two ways in which the BNP was stopped and it was a pincer movement from the street level it was Tommy Robinson and the EDL the minute they appeared hugely funded hugely well organized basically from that day on we didn't recruit any more white working class young lads because they were all going to Tommy and that from the very beginning back in 2012 I wrote a booklet explaining how the Tommy Robinson thing from the very beginning was a Zionist American Deep State Front operation from the very start.

He didn't come to it later. He wasn't bought later. It's from the very beginning. So that was one move, one bit undercutting this from below. And at the same time, Nigel Farage came along and UKIP was really promoted and pushed and he was promoted. So in the period between 2009, when I was elected as MEP and the general election of 2012, we should have had we we are two parties you given the bmp were the same in terms of the bbc rules for appearance on question time so we should have had the same number of appearances which was twice a year or if something came up that was our really our issue we'd be on so if the grooming thing have come up i should have been on as an extra one and if something to do with the eu would come up nigel should have been on instead of that i was on once with a lynching operation Nadja Farage was on 22 times on question time in that period they even put him on have I got news for you they promoted Farage ruthlessly and the deal was done we knew we had someone quite a high level there was an open deal between Farage and the BBC they would promote him as long as he never talked about Islam or colored immigration he only talked about immigration in fact about you know Poles and East Europeans they promote him in order to stop us and that's what really did the damage and Farage has since he got gone publicly boasting repeatedly the thing he's most proud of in his political career is stopping the British National Party which indeed he did you know we were a serious threat to them and we were growing the fastest growing political party ever at one stage and we were stopped because they realized that they had to so why is Nigel

Farage a political leader got his own slot of GB news

because GB News is a brilliant propaganda operation. It's about political power. It's not a news station. It's a propaganda thing designed to drive the British people mad with legitimate, actually, letting out the legitimate, pent-up anger and so on. So it's created by a man called Paul Marshall, who's a multimillionaire hedge fund fellow, whose first 50 million that he started his first hedge fund was a uh injection from George Soros uh Marshall himself was a liberal democrat so he got a liberal funded by George Soros to become a a super hedge fund capitalist so and now he's funding GB news uh and he works very closely he works out of the United Arab Emirates uh now you'd think oh well they hang on they're Muslims they are but they are a very corrupt seedy capitalist soft liberal Islam and the thing they fear more than anything else on the planet is the Muslim Brotherhood because the Muslim Brotherhood takeover.

They're all going to be swinging from lampposts or living in exile in Florida and so on. And they pushing for Raj and the this sort of soft right wing thing, primarily because they want the Muslim Brotherhood smashed up before it can smash up them. So it's a quarrel within within Islam. and they're using this thing to push Britain so that Farage will do things which will interfere with radical Islam. So actually if he does, fair enough, that's quite a good thing. They're not doing it because it's in our interest. The other thing is that his legatum, this hedge fund business, its primary mode of business, it's a very aggressive hedge fund which specializes in taking over distressed assets. So that's of companies which are basically gone bust or in terrible trouble. It sweeps in. can you imagine a more distressed asset than the property market in the whole of London if Britain has something like Belfast in 1972 they simply come in and take it it's fun of the money this it's there's a huge amount of so there's some internal politicking and it's also about money and it's about power then there is one more factor to this it's complicated stuff in a way and I've written about it onSubstack it's not that complicated the United States of America is not our friend Never was our friend.

They were heavily involved in creating the First World War and keeping it running until they came in when everyone else was exhausted. They were heavily involved in pushing Stalin and Hitler and making sure we had a Second World War. More recently, their war in Ukraine, which Europe and Britain are now funding completely. America's not funding it. Britain and Europe are buying weapons from the United States. So it's propping up the American military industrial complex, but sanctions against Russia aren't aimed at Russia. Chris Russia has simply sold its oil and gas elsewhere sanctions against Russia are aimed at us they're aimed at Germany France and Italy they're aimed at wrecking Britain and Europe compared to the dollar just the same as the Nord Stream pipeline bombing the target of that wasn't Russia the target of that was Germany and the European Union America in order to keep the dollar world hegemony of the dollar up has to destroy everything else or at least push everything else down.

And that's what they are doing. And there's one final factor to this. Elon Musk understands demographics. He's hugely powerful. He's creating basically this new, this American technate, super North America. He understands demographics. He must understand. He also understands that the American public in anything, even the fake democracy they've got, won't accept any more large scale non-white immigration. But their population is also aging and going to drop off a cliff. They need 20 million immigrants. Where are they going to get them from? There's only two possibilities. India and Musk, like Nigel Farage, is extremely pro-Indian, Hindu immigration. So that has some of them. But again, the American people won't like that. The only source of immigration which the American people will accept is Europe and Britain. but America needs 20 in order to avoid collapse for demographic reasons America needs 20 to 30 million new immigrants over the next 10 to 15 years they have to get them from Britain and Europe no I'm not talking about blacks I'm talking about your

grandchildren they want white European and British immigrants they need millions of

them now if they simply open their doors and Trump a couple of years ago one of the things we all applauded and fair enough when he opened the door to a few thousand oppressed boers from South Africa. That was just a test, an experiment. And to show the American people, we let in 10,000 of them. Look, not one crime. If you want to know, they're now paying so much income tax. White immigration works. That's just the test. They want mass white immigration from the Western world. But if they open the doors tomorrow, quite a few would go. So one of my children and her husband, they'd probably go. yeah taking their two kids with them yeah but my other three kids wouldn't they're very happy here with their kids so 10 of my grandchildren are going to stay Elon Musk and co want all of them yeah how are they going to persuade all the Brits all the Germans all the Poles French and so on I don't really want to leave because human nature tends to be to stay with grandma and all the rest of it how are they going to persuade them to go if they tear Europe and Britain apart in a civil war they got formed for this the former Yugoslavia was a happy advanced it was the only socialist country which actually worked to a degree was a happy advanced decent place of collapse of the Berlin Wall and so on.

And the CIA tore the former Yugoslavia apart by arming the extremists encouraging extremists on all sides. They started with football fans. and they gave them first of all clubs and petrol bombs and a few weeks later they had knives and guns and all the rest of it and they tore Yugoslavia apart for their own reasons and the model that they're doing now they're going to tear the whole of Europe and Britain apart with their civil war and that is why they had George Soros who's in the end their man because most of his money came from the National Endowment for Democracy his alliance with them which is a CIA front so they had Soros putting in one side of the civil war these hundreds of thousands of military aged young undocumented young men. They had the American war on Serbia created Kosovo, which is an Islamist state and the Albanian. So on the other hand, you've got Musk on X and so on with pushing some people quite decent people You know, fair enough, Rupert Lowe, probably quite a person, probably decent man.

But he's being pushed the same way because they're pushing the other side of the civil war, the white side. And we'll get our weapons from the from the from Ukraine. because Ukraine is awash with weapons and it's a neo-Nazi state where Nazism has been weaponized and they'll happily just as the Islamists in Kosovo and Albania will happily arm primarily the Muslims so the Ukrainian Nazis will happily arm everyone on our side of the fence. We'll have a giant civil war at the end of that 20-30 million Brits and Northern Europeans will move to the United States and that's the name of the game. So how long are you talking? How long's that? Well, Professor David Betts, who's one of their main talking heads and so on, says his position is, and he's a very good analyst, a serious analyst of tensions and all the rest of it. So he says that a 50% chance of Britain being in civil war within the next five years, an 80% chance of the rest of somewhere else in Europe being in a civil war, and actually once one place is, all the others go up in flames as well.

So I'm not saying it should happen. I'm not even saying it's going to happen I say they're trying very hard to make it happen and as nationalists and patriots we have to face things as they are and stop pretending as a magic wand solution to the problems something very nasty is around the corner our people are not organized not mentally prepared for it not spiritually prepared for it and we have to start preparing them so that they don't

in the end go as you know as lambs in the slaughter yeah yeah so nice of Raj um Farage has a serious chance of being the next Prime Minister.

I think if it wasn't for the economic chaos that's coming as I mentioned before because of the Iran blockade and so on he'd be well under 50%. If Andy Burnham wins on the 18th in Makerfield, then the Labour Party are much more likely to become the next government, or at least the majority of the next government, and Farage less so. But with the chaos that's coming our way economically and politically, and with now the trouble that's brewing up, even the latest Henry Novak thing, even that alone has had a further twist on the attitude of the British people and making people think this has to stop. It really has. And Farage has taken advantage of that very, very well. And what he's saying, it's all correct. He's going to say the right things.

Exactly.

He's going to say the right things. So I think he's got a good chance of coming to power. And if he does, what's going to happen? Is he going to save Britain? Of course not. He'll be exactly like Giorgio Meloni in Italy. who came from a far more extreme origin than Farage. Farage has always been anti-fascist, anti the far right and so on. Maloney was a young fascist when she was a teenager. The Fratelli d'Italia, her party, run by and founded and funded by the exact same American neocon and Zionist operations as a funded Farage and Reform. and so on. So she came to power on the promise she was going to reverse mass, stop mass immigration and reverse it. So since she came to power, she has indeed halved the number of illegals coming into Italy over the Mediterranean. So she's dropped that by about 50,000. But she's let in a million Africans and Indians as cheap labor. to Italy because she's an ultra capitalist and she's basically there to to completely deregulate Italy and to turn it into a place where giant American corporations can make lots of money.

Now, how on earth do you make money out of bankrupt shambles like Britain? Well, there's one huge money pit still waiting to be opened up just as so Maggie and co started off with electricity and water. And we now see how wrong all those were and how bad it all was. with still the National Health Service they've already privatized the most profitable bits of it but the whole thing is still there and they want to privatize it because it's worth billions and billions and billions and they also want to have Britain being rather more right-wing with a government say actually we're going to stop spending so much money on benefits and we're going to push it into armaments because we haven't got much of an arms industry left in Britain I know there's a bit still in Northern Ireland and so on but not very much If Britain is re-arming for a war with Russia, which has got nothing to do with us, or your total suicidal disaster for Christian civilization, if we're going to be re-armed, we have to buy from the United States of America, from the military industrial complex.

And even more, everyone on the far right looks at America and say, oh, it's all run by the Jews. Some politicians are in the pockets of the Zionists, a lot of them are in the pockets of the Saudi Arabians, and all of them are in the pockets of the military industrial complex. So Faraj's job is to get into power, and open Britain up for mass immigration from India while protecting people happy. It's basically it's a controlled it's a controlled managed decline. and they're going to get rid of some of the Muslims not that many but they'll get rid of a few of them they'll stop some of the craziest ones coming in all the rest of it because that will keep the British people happy enough while they bring in another two million Hindus while another two or three million elderly Britons die so that there's then no prospect ever of the British saying you know what it's not actually a matter of not just being ripped off by Europe it's not just a matter of having immigrants noncing our kids we also want a society which has a banking system which operates for our people not we operate for the banks and we all we and we want economic system which has private enterprise and incentive and all the rest of it but isn't a giant ripoff for corporations just to loot and steal and in order to stop an actual genuine revolution as they turn us all into helots and slaves of the thing they've got coming.

Now they've got no they've no longer got use for the hands of ordinary working men because robots and AI will do it all. So they need to have us totally divided and demoralized in order to carry on the looting process for a bit longer. And Farage is just part of that, keeping people happy for long enough, giving them the impression that there's a political solution and opening us all up to deregulate Britain on behalf of American capitalism.

So the use of Do you think he'll be a Prime Minister? If reform get in, I think what happened with Brexit, it's going to happen to see him with Nigel. Obviously, his ego will be there as well, but I believe that maybe he'll be Prime Minister for six months, get the patch and then step down for health reasons. And I believe that's been Zia Youssef. Now, that's just maybe me being a paranoid, but just with what I've been watching with everything that's going on with this party, I can't seem to understand why he's there and why he's got so much power.

I think Farage is a very clever politician. He's by far the cleverest politician, the best politician we've had in generations. That's not praise. Politicians are scum, right? But he's really, really good. The only one to remotely match him is George Galloway, who's a brilliant orator, and he's got elected for all sorts of different people. Again, he's a devious, slimy, loyalist-hating politician, but he's a good politician. Farage is as well. so Farage having he's actually selling a racist message and he knows that millions and millions that lots of working-class England don't give a damn anymore I'm racist so what call me racist I don't care we add it up to here where we are yeah that's where that's where we are but middle England who he has and he has to have their votes they're still rather polite and rather nice and deep down they're racist but they've got to pretend even to themselves that they're not so having someone having a second in command who's an obvious not one of us is a huge protection which enables millions of people to think I'm voting for reform but I'm not a racist because look they're deputy he's a brown Muslim and so on so I think that's the main reason Faraj has him there the other reason that I believe Faraj is happy to have Yusuf there is that he's always been very nervous about whether he can keep his position I've been there politics is a very greasy pole and there's always someone trying to climb up behind you and to drag you down and take your place so and the most likely man is your deputy so if Farage had a good looking slightly younger British deputy really credible and all the rest of it that man could be a real threat the other reason is that politics is a it's a dung heap and Nigel Farage is the cock on top of a dung heap and he believes quite rightly so other cops are trying to come along and kick him off and the most likely one to do that is his deputy so if his deputy was young English good looking well educated smart and so on it'd be very easy for reform members to think he'd be better than Nigel we'll get rid of Nigel we'll have him instead

Right so that's we've talked about England and it's quite complex and you know and like I just want to say this is this is um this is uh Nick's this is his opinion you know I mean it's it's not the opinion of freedom dad my channel is about bringing the people who are involved in what's been going on in England and the right wing of politics in the last 25 years to understand what's went wrong why we had a city recently today and you know not everybody agrees with the people I interview but at the end of the day it's a freedom of speech freedom dad freedom of speech and I'm a dad and this is one of the problems we've had in the past in England is because people have been shut down because don't speak to him he can't speak here he's too far right he's too racist he doesn't like Israel you know We need to have everything on the table today in Northern Ireland. We need to have everybody's ideas, everybody's opinions, and everybody's views on the table so we can make sense of it, whether you like it or not.

We're not going to please everybody all the time. It's as simple as that. I'm not saying he's right. I'm not saying he's wrong. This is his opinion. We are the ones that have got to make sense of it all. I'm going to finish off. This is about Northern Ireland. I'm an all-star man. Years of division between partisans and catholics we've got a southern island with no border it's being replaced as we watch you know it's unbelievable what's going on in Ireland I never thought I'd see a day when we'd have so many foreigners and Irish citizens being held back by foreigners and Muslims over at the street of our land as we've seen we have men with capors running about the knives in our parks we've had Nowak Henry on Alive over there with the exact same one of these blades we've got men like Pinky myself and others on Glen Cain I believe you know Glen I think you've met him a couple of times back in the day he's been persecuted up in court we're all 11 front pages it's an absolute nightmare and we've got Sinn Féin we've got Alliance we've got the SDLP we've got the UUP we've got the DUP we've got the PUP we've got the DUV and I could probably go on to another few ones like you know people before profit and I know now people's party honestly it's it's nuts right so just me talking about that and what we're dealing with the border the classics of protestants the politics how do we stop how do we protect ourselves how do we not become England or Ireland I'll tell you what we want.

We want our own cultures and our traditions to be going forward for our children and our grandchildren. I don't care if you're a person or Catholic. We've lived in peace times now for nearly 15 plus years. They do their thing. We do our thing. And we've been moving on quite hormonously for a better word. Nick Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin

Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin that that is political. There's nothing more important. There's nothing more political than having children and rearing them in your culture to be like you and to carry it forward.

I'm sorry it would be wonderful we could sit here and we could come up with a fantastic program we should put everything right we're not going to get the political power to do it

therefore it's a simple waste of time so if you're worried that people aren't going to be afford to have afford to have children you've got to think right what can we do within our community and the Muslims do this the Jews do this they do it very very well that you trade with your own so you think right well so what have we got well look around you'll find that most of the carpenters in Loyalist and for that matter Catholic Northern Ireland are 55 60 or older they're about to retire because you haven't had any apprenticeships proper ones and so on. So you need to get young men to say, do not go to university and get a huge student debt and have your brain rewired as a liberal or homosexual. Get working and do an unofficial apprenticeship with one of these old carpenters and become a carpenter and then work within your community to say, right, you need a carpenter. You use our man. You don't use somebody else.

So you trade within your own community and you build it up and you provide your own Ways of Living so your farmers instead of selling their food to Tesco's probably almost at a loss you've got to go into things like farmers cooperatives and retail cooperatives and sell it to your own people because there ain't no one no one in Westminster is going to give whatever you do politically here no one in Westminster is going to say I know what we'll do we'll give those nice people in Northern Ireland extra 100 million quid they're not going to have it and the English won't let them The biggest threat to the union actually isn't Sinn Féin or the SNP or anyone else. The biggest threat to the union actually is English taxpayers saying, you know what, F off. You know, whisking. So don't rely on any foreigner or any politician coming along. So we've got our own politicians.

You've got to do it yourselves. We've got our own politicians.

Well, they'll all be in it for themselves.

So I sort of lean towards the TUV. They seem to be popping up at demos and places where patriots are acting. I would love the Catholics of Northern Ireland to understand that the TUV could be the ones to save. Can you see a possibility of

I can certainly see a position a time coming when there's whether the the ethnic the simple blunt ethnic trouble comes in England first or it comes in Dublin which we've had enough of it or whether it's another Ballymena you know on a bigger scale I'm walking around combo the last couple of days the increase in Africans and Asians here since just a few months ago is staggering and so the same thing carried off earlier exactly the same there very very rapidly so if it comes about that there's trouble like this then because they're also getting it in the Falls I'm sure if the ordinary people of Catholic West Belfast rise up against this Sinn Féin Westminster imposed false multiculturalization of their streets at the same time that the Protestants do in the Shankill and down in East Belfast. Then you've got every possibility. One of the most wonderful things I've seen out of Northern Ireland in years was the other year on the protest when you had the tricola and the Union flag side by side with demonstrators agreeing.

So that's the way forward. But bear in mind Northern Ireland was almost at that point in the 1930s with the hunger strikes the protests against hunger and unemployment and when the police were brutally battening the Catholic men for demanding fairness and so on and Protestant women said to their men what are you doing standing side to side when their wings are starving both sides march together and so similarly the minute you get Catholics and Protestants standing saying we might have we've got our differences and all the rest of it but let's face it we go back to hating each other when we've secured the right of our children to be here and to be a majority in our part of this contested land. And the minute you get to that stage, you will have the liberals and the police doing their very best to break that up. And they'll come back with the old sectarianism and they'll push very hard. So one thing that conscious loyalists need to be looking for is that when the ordinary Catholics show signs of breaking away from Sinn Féin, which is obviously an utterly wicked thing, not just because it was Sinn Féin IRA, and their child murdering bastards, but also because they're now totally in favour of multiculturalism, LGBT, the Islamisation of the whole of Ireland and so on.

So they're the scum of the earth. And the moment ordinary decent Catholics show that they're prepared to move away from that, then the most constructive thing of all that a loyalist party can do is to say, brother, or at least cousin. And so, you know, that, I hope to see that.

Yeah, well I can honestly say like the boys that are here behind the camera, we are getting a lot of feedback from the Catholic community, you know, they know who we are, we don't hate it, we are Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist and you know, we're only here to protect what we've had, our bonfires, our tragedies, Yes he stopped raising the hunger strike rules whatever you know i mean you know when at the end of the day like you say if you want to go back to fighting about it we can go back to fighting about it there's men and folk says it'll accommodate it but right now there's a bigger issue yes so out of everywhere right now between ireland northern ireland and the mainland what would you say your percentage or give me some sort of idea of what hope we have you know for northern ireland can you see yep well can you see later in the tunnel for us when i get young

intelligent English lads saying to me, you know, where do I, you know, where do I go? You know, I've been bought up in London, I'm going to move, want to find a girl and settle down and so on. Where should I go? I said you can go to northeast England. We go to Northern Ireland. Because that's the place because it's going to kick off everywhere. in Northern Ireland you'll be alright and for that matter for the English to hold on to our parts of England and to have enough confidence as communities that people think yes I can have kids we're going to be okay here the thing the English need more than anything else at present is marching bands because a marching band goes out and straight away you know perfectly well and the reason they came about in the first place. If you've got 60 young men who train and drill together and can march playing flutes, then they can have pickaxe handles or AK-47s the next week and you've got a small army.

But even more than that, if there's any kind of problem with the other community, you don't need to do that. Just your band and the other bands come in as a special parade and they think, whoa, we're not going to touch them because they're organized. the English need that more than anything else how are we going to get that probably the easiest way is if significant numbers of English people come over here and settle down their kids become they mustn't be English living here telling you what to do you know stop these parades you know the bonfires are dangerous it mustn't be like that they've got to be absolutely become part of your community because in the end what the communities on both sides of the long conflicts in Ireland have done and learned to do I'm not talking about the bombs and the guns and talking about things like the marching bands on the loyal side, like the GAA on the Republican side, like Sinn Fein's advice centers, all the things which have been done by the two communities here to keep themselves together and make themselves powerful.

The English have to do the same thing. So I want to see English people coming over here. But regardless of that, I think that you've got by far the best chance. Follower by Ireland because as you know the Irish are crazy when it comes to fighting if it push push comes to shove and they've got also a militant a very militant tradition and I don't believe that they'll allow Ireland having fought for 800 years to get rid of the bloody Brits and I've got every time for the right of the Irish people who have had Irish independence and freedom just I've never accepted their right to have an imperialistic claim on Loyalist Ulster, you know, entirely wrong. But they'll be okay at some stage. And the biggest problem for England is when the island of Ireland goes up, we'll suddenly have an extra 200,000 immigrants next week all pouring through Liverpool and Glasgow. And they're all going to come and live in Britain.

Thanks, but c'est la vie.

There's one thing I need to ask you before we go. You touched on it there about England to sort of turn their back on us, you know.

So...

I was the key advocate within the very radical young national front of the middle 1980s.

I was writing stuff saying Ulster has to become independent because if you stay with Britain you will be sold out and you still demographically you could still take over at least most of Ulster and survive and that is what you should do and we had this thing for the nation against the state in order to remain British you have to break with the British government uh and so yeah i've always for a long time favor the idea of an independent independent ulster but back in those days it could have been done now it can't demographically it's what people say demographically it's too late it's simply too late demographically you cannot do it so what happens if basically britain says well yeah goodbye too expensive uh and i would say actually that and i'm not saying that this would be again i'm not saying it would be a good thing like i'm not saying that the brits being a minority in their own country is a good thing saying this is where you're going to go if The Loyalists of Northern Ireland were forced into a United Ireland.

Don't regard that as a problem. At present, you're a tiny, I'll be blunt, despised by them. You're a tiny, despised minority in a giant liberal cesspit, which is the United Kingdom, led by a man who's a crazed, humanity-hating, stroke, Islamist traitor. Right? That's where we are now, in terms of head of state. You can be part of that, and you've got no power whatsoever. and your handful of MPs have got no power other than absolute balance within British Parliament. You're always going to be a minority. Oh, it's them, right? If you were in a United Ireland, 700,000-odd Protestant voters would control the balance of power. They would decide who was going to be the government of the whole of Ireland. As a traditionalist people, and the Ulster loyalists are the most traditionalist people left in the whole of Western Europe, as a traditionalist people, he'd be instantly obvious allies for the traditionalist Catholics and the traditionalist proper nationalists in Southern Ireland.

So you wouldn't be a tiny, isolated minority, you'd be the kingmakers and you'd simply go to Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil or whoever and so on, anyone other than Sinn Féin, and you'd say, right, we'll help you keep Sinn Féin out. But we want, and we don't just want the right to hold loyalist parades in our own areas. we want the parade in Cork and we want a parade in Dublin and you will get that.

We would see it as a defeat but with that defeat we would get more power.

With that defeat you would have far more power and you would be rid of the illusion that the Brits are on your side because they haven't been. If they hadn't been for loyalist resistance in 1912 they'd have sold you out then. So you'd be far better as the kingmakers and a hugely powerful Traditionally christian bloc in a tiny little shambolic state namely ireland you know you've got nothing to fear from a united ireland although i understand every reason as long as there's any ulster loyalists who say we want to we don't want to

be in it then i'll always stand with you yeah yeah every cloud has a silver lining but yeah so guys we're gonna wrap it up so we've talked about you know we've talked about immigration we've talked about mass immigration we've talked about re-migration we've talked about replacement we've talked about Zionism we've talked about a united Ireland we've talked about an independent Ulster and what I want to get across right now is You've got to ask yourself why we're talking about this right now. There's something happening. There's seismic changes going on in the Union that we know in Scotland, Wales and England. There's seismic changes happening in the Republic of Ireland that the Catholics and other and I can see, people are confused, there's a lot of slurs going about, a lot of people saying, you know, you're far right, you're racist, but yet we have the receipts of demographic chains helping them make fun of our eyes.

And, you know, like I say, It's not everybody's views that I bring to my platform, everybody's going to agree with, you know, and this is the whole thing. Unfortunately, the left don't want to come on. There is a Muslim guy in contact with me right now, whether the Newton Abbey guy, he's talking about wanting a live interview if I've got the balls he said you know again so I've told him I'm up for it but you know I doubt very much he will come on and we'll see what he's got to say and this is what it's about it's about getting everybody's opinions on the table and you know whether you take 20% of this interview or 80% of this interview and digest it and believe it or think that's a good interview or you think he's wrong or it's not the right The point is it's out there for debate and that's important to me as an awesome man, as a unionist, as a Protestant loyalist who wants to protect my future for my daughter growing up and I just want to say thank you so much.

It's been an absolute pleasure and an honour to meet a man of your stature. He has been through so much. The best is yet to come.