Антисионистские тезисы в очень странной упаковке
Источник: https://nickgriffin544956.substack.com/p/anti-zionist-truths-in-a-very-strange
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Ник Гриффин публикует расшифровку интервью, взятого у него сатирическим шоу NOOW («Not On Our Watch») — ведущие позиционируют себя как «хардкорные левые», радикализированные «ужасами сионистского геноцида». Формат: издевательская ролевая игра, в которой Гриффина обвиняют в «предательстве Израиля» и предлагают извиниться.
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Ведущие поначалу представляют Гриффина как «одноглазого британского фашиста», однако он методично разбирает их провокации. На вопрос, почему он не поддерживает Израиль: Гриффин утверждает, что сионизм является «еврейской формой европейского империализма XIX — начала XX века», и что именно лидеры сионизма (Жаботинский, организации «Иргун», «Штерн») имели тесные связи с Муссолини и Гитлером — а потому поддержка Израиля была бы логичной для настоящего фашиста, которым он себя не считает.
О Томми Робинсоне и предложениях о сотрудничестве: Гриффин утверждает, что до создания Томми Робинсона его дважды подходили «те же люди» с предложением денег и медийного покрытия в обмен на произраильскую позицию. Он отказался. После этого, по его словам, против БНП была развёрнута «война на политическое уничтожение». Аналогичную роль он приписывает «Nothing British» (связанному с Обществом Генри Джексона) и фигуре Мэтта Гудвина.
О миграции и антисионизме: Гриффин выстраивает связку — иммиграция происходит потому, что западный капитал разрушает страны-источники беженцев (он называет Афганистан, Ливию), а глобальная банковская система «высасывает» каждую страну. Следовательно, чтобы остановить иммиграцию, нужно помочь этим странам «получить свою страну обратно» — то есть бороться против сионизма и глобального капитализма. Позиция является крайне спорной и носит антисемитский характер по форме, хотя Гриффин в тексте декларирует, что направлена против «иудейского верховенства», а не против евреев как таковых (это разграничение самим Гриффином используется для самооправдания).
О гендерной идеологии в школах: Гриффин заявляет, что единственные, кто реально протестовал у школ против «государственного растления детей», — «хардкорные традиционалистские мусульмане», и он готов с ними сотрудничать в этом вопросе, несмотря на принципиальные разногласия по другим темам.
В финале Гриффин признаётся в единственном публичном «отступлении» от своих взглядов: на передаче «Вопрос времени» он высказался нейтрально об Израиле — пытаясь, по его словам, сохранить ту часть сделки с произраильской группой, которая обещала медийную поддержку в обмен на нейтралитет. Сделка сорвалась.
Значимость
Публикация примечательна форматом: левые сатирики используют Гриффина как инструмент для антисионистской критики, которую не могут позволить себе открыто. Гриффин в ответ проговаривает свои позиции максимально откровенно. Текст содержит ряд непроверяемых конспирологических утверждений (в том числе тезис об убийстве Чарли Кёрка) и языковые элементы, характерные для крайне правой риторики; они отмечены нейтрально, без воспроизведения.
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Anti-Zionist Truths in a VERY Strange Wrapper
Источник: https://nickgriffin544956.substack.com/p/anti-zionist-truths-in-a-very-strange
NOOW - “Not On Our Watch”. Originally (?) hardcore leftists, they seem to have been deeply ‘radicalised’ by the horrors of Zionist genocide and Talmudic racism. Radicalised enough, at least, to interview me, albeit in a ‘humorous’ format, which I guess may make giving me a platform of sorts somewhat less worrying to their usual audience. Let me know what you think! Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.
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Welcome back to Now Live with guest presenters today. I am Malcolm Babcock and I'm delighted to be joined by my co-host. Oh, they know who I am. Nora Groomer. And today we're really quite thrilled. We're obviously saddened with the trajectory the man's career has gone in for obvious reasons. But we're really quite thrilled to be joined today by, I would say, probably Britain's most cherished one-eyed heritage fascists, Nick Griffin. If you don't know him, Nick Griffin is a British far-right political figure and former leader of the British National Party BNP, a nationalist political party in the UK. He led the BNP from 99 to 2014, what I would consider the glory years, and served as a member of the European Parliament MEP for North West England. Griffin has been a controversial figure in British politics due to his views on immigration, nationalism, multiculturalism and his disgusting betrayal of the only Jewish state. Nick, do you call yourself a fascist? Why aren't you standing with Israel in their moment of need, buddy? Well, there's two points there. I'm not a fascist, but I understand why you think I am. But why? Well, you're right, actually, strangely enough, fascists probably should stand with Israel, because Zionism is purely the Jewish form of 19th century European imperialism and early 20th century fascism. So, yeah, I understand why you're confused by where I stand, because if you look, say, at the founders of the political ideology that Netanyahu now represents, the Stern gang, people like this, Jabodinsky, they were all extremely close to Hitler and Mussolini. But, you see, coming from this sort of strange background that you do, you think that I'm a fascist. I'm not, so I've got nothing to do with Hitler and Mussolini. But the Zionists did have, on a huge scale. Nick, why are you doing this? I suppose, would you agree? Why are you doing this? My question would be, would you, like, do you look at Tommy Robinson, Turkey Teeth, and Free Trips to Israel, and just feel nostalgic? What might have been? What might have been? I know what could have been, because, you see, Tommy sold up. Well, Tommy was bought by the Israeli lobby. He was created by the Israeli lobby right from the very beginning. But I'd been approached, before they created Tommy Robinson, different stages, and I'd twice been approached by those seen people, and offered all sorts of wonderful things, huge amounts of money, favourable media coverage, and so on. You idiot. If I would accept the shekel. But, you see, I didn't. So, I think about it sometimes, but I'm certainly very happy that I'm independent. How much? How much? We were offered as much great... Now, how much do you want? Yeah, how much do you want now? How much do you want now, Nick? I simply can't be bought by you people. I'm sorry. I'm too old now. If I was going to have a fantastic Tommy Robinson lifestyle and so on, I'd have done it at the age of 35 or 40. You know, it's a bit sad seeing an old man in a sports car, isn't it? I don't need it. I'd far rather keep my soul and leave your people, the hardcore Zionists and the hardcore Nazis, together now as you always were. But what's the problem with Israel? What's so wrong with... Zionism has taken over the US. They're doing all right. What's your problem? Why not let the people for Britain? They have islands in the shape of Nickelodeon. Nick. They're smiling. Excellent, Nora.
Excellent. It's your problem with it. There's all sorts of the most greatest and the most powerful people in the world have sold out. But, well, why should I? Because it's wrong. Because murdering huge numbers of children and all the hardcore sort of idiot far right in Britain say, well, they're only murdering Muslim kids. It's all right. Well, one, they're not. They also murder Christian children in the West Bank and in Gaza and destroy churches as well as synagogues. Also, just whether they're Muslims or Christians or whatever, murdering children because they're in the way of your Eretz Israel, Greater Israel plan is just plain wicked. I'm on the side of good and they're on the side of evil. Nick, my old mum will be watching this show and she loves you. And this will be breaking her heart. Growing up, there were three fascists that she loved. It was you, it was Mussolini and it was Noel Edmonds. And to see you abandon Israel, the only Jewish state, as it fights for civilisation. And this is civilisation versus barbarism. What do you say to that, Nick? Yeah, this is a struggle, a civilisation versus barbarism. This is a struggle of humanity against a tiny sect of people who regard themselves as superhuman and the rest of us as animals in human form. So Zionism is obviously, as I said at the start, to a degree, it's a 20th century fascism, a 19th century imperialism. You go deeper than that, it also has its roots in this extraordinary, deep Jewish supremacist racism against all the other peoples of the planet. And I understand where you come from. Obviously, what confuses me sometimes is when I come across leftists who claim to be anti-Zionists. But the minute you say there's a problem, there's a deeper problem here of this deep racism, well, they won't touch that because they can't have any sort of criticism of, it's not criticism of Jews. The first, just as the Irish, I detect an Irish brogue, I detect an Irish brogue in your accent. Really distant, really distant. So just as the Irish were accused by 19th century Brits as being a, quote, priest-ridden people, there's no priest-ridden people today like the Jews, who are dominated by what's basically a semi-hereditary mafia, who, among other things, use anti-Semitism as a stick and a club to beat their own people into line, to extract money from their own people. So I don't blame ordinary Jews. You might say, have I become anti-Semitic? No, I've got no problem. There are no ordinary Jews. I've got no problem with Jews. I've got no problem with Jews. But they're so dominated by this semi-priestly capitalist class that it becomes a problem for the rest of us. It's safe to say that you're just testing the boundaries of survival. Like, are you a fan of Charlie Kirk or Kennedy? Because we had no problem dealing with them. See, I'm old enough not really to have even watched Charlie Kirk for a bit. I just thought he was a bit of an American gobshite. And it was very interesting. Once he'd been murdered, and then you looked at the trajectory he was on, as you say, just the last few months of his life, he was becoming critical of Israel and the Zionist project. And it's immense power in the United States. And that's what you get. And all of a sudden, he's topped, as you say, just like the JFK. Yeah, absolutely. But no, I don't think so. In the end, you've got to die something, haven't you? So you're not testing the boundaries of survival here? I have tested the boundaries of survival for a very, very long time. When I said no to the Zionist effort to buy the British National Party, from that moment onwards, there was a war of political extermination against us. And it's not just Zionist. You also look at people like Nothing British, which was supposedly a conservative right-wing think tank attached to the Henry Jackson Society. Mostly from the capitalist right, just sort of American neocon, but not the Jewish side. And they were, Matt Goodwin was one of the people there, where they worked very hard to destroy the British National Party. Having done so, they then created, like, a fake pro-Zionist replacement. And that's, to what extent that's reform and to what extent is restore, it's rather confused. But before those fates could be created, they had to get rid of the real thing. You know, they got rid of the real thing, unfortunately. But Nick, help me out here, OK? So it sounds to me like you're aligning yourself with Islamists and leftists. If we look at the average pro-Palestine march, it's a left-orientated event. What on earth can an anti-Zionism position offer young, disaffected, working-class men and women who may feel that they are on the right, politically? Well, all the people you're referring to have one enormous bug pair in their lives, and that's the idea that we're being replaced in our own country by mass immigration. And so if they detest the pro-Palestinians, it's because they represent immigrants in their country, especially when they're marching around with their keffias and their flags. I wear the keffias sometimes because I'd far rather wear a British symbol of resistance to anti-Zionism, but one doesn't exist. So I've got to wear that instead. But coming back to the white working-class youngsters and so on, and now middle-class lads as well, their main problem with things that they are is mass immigration. Now, mass immigration comes about for two reasons. The first is the pull of... Muslims. No, it's the pull of by our rich, by our capitalists, of they want in cheap labour, they want these people in. And then there's also a push factor, that they leave their countries because their countries are smashed up. Why are they smashed up? Because we've got a banking system in the world created by Western banks, which loots every country it goes into. And then secondly, if you look at Afghanistan, Libya, places like this, which produce most of the immigrants coming in, that's because Western militaries, particularly Western air forces, including the Royal Air Force, have flattened and ruined those countries. So they come here because it's the best way of getting a better life for themselves. And so I say to any white British youngster, if you want those people to go home, if you want your country back, you have to help them get their country back. That means taking on the Zionists and the global capitalists, because they are the ones who are ruining the whole world and pushing these people to come to my country. What do you think of that?
Talking about smashing, you wanted to kill sex offenders? Oh, yes. Wait. Do you hate sex offenders or the innocent, powerful sex offenders? You wouldn't want to kill innocent sex offenders, would you? Well, I used to be asked this from the point of view of, am I just using talking about killing sex offenders as a way of having over Muslims in the grooming gangs? So I used to say, no, I'd shoot them all, whether they're white, brown, green or black. I now have also to say, no, I'd shoot them all, whether they're poor or whether they're very, very rich, because it doesn't matter. They're all a cancer on society. So 7,000 per post, it's not a good amount. I've just had a text from my dear mum. Are you actually sitting there, Nick Griffin, and telling us that there are white grooming gangs? Is that true? That's right, isn't it? No, I'm saying if they were, I'd happily shoot them. No, there's, obviously there are white paedophiles and white perverts and they should all be shot. But the grooming gangs, actually there's two big grooming gangs that are operated in Britain, let's face it. There have been, actually, the Muslim ones, which were allowed to operate by our elite, which is both religious and non-religious. There's also been the biggest grooming gang of all in Britain, and still is, that's the teachers' unions. And these are the people who say to every young child in the entire country, yeah, you can get your bits cut off and you can change sex. And you can choose from 72 different genders. I'm against those groomers as well as the Muslim groomers.
And as a matter of fact, the people nearest to my position as a serious bloc in Britain, I find, are, there's a handful of proper traditional Christians, ordinary parents, throw up their hands in horror and do nothing. The only people who have come out and demonstrated at outside schools against this state-organised perversion of children have been quite hardcore, proper traditionalist Muslims. And I'd rather they weren't in my country because I think it's very dangerous to have people who are so different to us. But while they are here, then I'm very happy that I'd far rather work with someone like that if they want to have a school which doesn't teach little kids that they should genuinely mutilate themselves. I'm far happier with them than I am any white liberal. What is your problem? Not quite yet. Not quite yet, no, no. What are you trying to do? Buy him off again, is it? I mean, he was almost there.
Yeah, we love all that. We love the trans stuff. We love the early races. We loved your early stuff. How much, when it went wrong? Because, what's your problem with Zionism? Yeah, what has Zionism done to Britain, in fact? I mean, what are you going to say? You're going to sit there and say, oh, yeah, you know, they did a few forgeries. I suppose you're going to tell us they killed some British soldiers, did they? Well, if you look, again, come on to the Irish thing. Come on. So everyone says, oh, you know, the Paddy's invented the car bomb. So it's all your fault. No, they did. No, no, they didn't. The founders of the IDF invented the car bomb, and they killed many more British soldiers in Palestine in 1948 and so on. Why? Why would they do that, Nick? Why would they do that, Nick? Well, it's not a question of why would they? They did. So you've got the King David Hotel. You've got the hanging of the two sergeants in the Eucalyptus Grove. They killed hundreds of British soldiers who were only there to try and keep the peace. Cut all that out. It's all got to go, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah, you can't have that sort of thing. No. So that was the first thing. Secondly, my problem, you asked, what's my problem with Zionism? Yeah. I suppose my biggest problem is the pure hypocrisy of a people who, in all their community and political organizations, have spent the last 50, 60 years telling the British and the French and the Swedes and the Germans and the Irish, you can't have your country for yourselves. That's vicious racism. You can't expect to have a country which basically is just your people and some guests. No, that's vicious racism. And yet, Israel is steadily expanding with a plan to expand it far bigger than from the river to the sea, from the Nile to the Euphrates, of an exclusively Jewish state. Now, that's the problem. If Jews say to me, I believe in multiculturalism, so we'd have multiculturalism in Britain, and we must also have it in Israel. I can disagree with them, but I can accept that. Or if Jews would come to me and say, we want an ethnically pure Israel, and we understand you wanting the same in Britain, or the Swedes wanting the same in Sweden, and so on. That's fine. But when these people consistently say that, no, you've got to have mass immigration, you've got to commit political suicide, ethnic suicide, cultural suicide, you've got to disappear, and at the end of it, we will be the only pure people left, that's the hypocrisy that I cannot stomach.
You don't have to concern yourself when all of that is going to be caught. Nick, just in terms of nostalgia, I often think about you, you know, you had to do it on a hard night, a hard rainy night in Stoke, calling door to door, collecting, throwing out leaflets. Do you feel that the fascists today have it too easy? They just put on their little fake eyebrows like Ben Shapiro and go live. Do you wish you were in the YouTube live stream era? Ben. It's a very strange thing, isn't it? Even, well, I am in the YouTube era and so on still. Not for much longer after this interview. Go on. But like, I was a fairly significant player on Twitter X at one stage, but of course, all the proper hardcore nationalists, we still get zapped. So Elon and co, they're all saying, oh, we've got free speech and so on. Yeah, for people like Tommy Robinson, for people on your side, but not for people like me. So, no, we did it the hard way and I still have to try and do it the hard way because let's face it, although social media is enormously powerful, it's very, very rigidly controlled even to this day. So, yeah, you're right. They have it easy. But am I jealous of that? No, because if I wanted to sell out my principles, I'd have become a Conservative MP right from the start. How did you discover us, Nick? I mean, all your life you were looking for the intruder in the country. When was the moment when you realized that the intruder was speaking Queen's English and wearing a suit and making selfies in Israel? Yeah, it's sort of, they live, isn't it, really? She's insane as well, just to say, if there's any lack of clarity as to what's happening, I have no idea what's happening either. I suppose, will we afford, Nick, the opportunity, one last chance, in a way, to apologize? What else? To the donor class. Nick, if you would, I would love it if you would look down the lens of the camera and I would say this is your, and I'm not saying it in a threatening way, I'm saying it from a place of love. I have cherished you. My mom has just texted there. My mom has lost her mind, by the way, with this interview. She says, I hope he loses the other eye, the despicable bastard. So, one last chance, on behalf of my mom, and on behalf of, I suppose, fascists everywhere, we would love you to look down the lens and say you're sorry for what you're doing to Israel. You will mend your ways. There's still time. Please. I'm actually only sorry for one thing in my political career. And that was on question time, when I said that, as far as I was concerned, basically, the IDF had the right to bomb the hell out of the Palestinians. Although I did say, after that, and equally, they've got the right to do the same thing back, because it's not our fight. So, I've got no position. But actually, the proper, my genuine nationalist position was always to stand with the Palestinians as an oppressed people. And also, because I don't want them coming here. So, it's better they're happy in their own country. And it is their country. But when I said that, I was trying to keep my side of the bargain. That when I've been approached by the second ultra-Zionist group to try to buy the British National Party, and they said to me that they give us all this, they give us publicity and all the rest of it, money later on if we needed it, but mainly the great publicity we needed. We could have that. But they wanted us to take the side of Israel. So, I said, well, no, I'm not interested in that. But I did say that if you people have realised, because these are right-wing Jews, and if you've realised what the left-wing Jews, the Soros types have been doing, undermining the ethnocentric stability of places like Britain.
If you've now realised that you actually one day might need Britain as a life raft, and you want to help us keep that life raft, then we'll work with you, and I'll do my very best to decommission the residual anti-Semitism, which there is in the BNP. So, we'll be neutral. But don't expect us to support any of your wars, your Zionist wars. We're going to stay out of it. So, the fellow at the end of this very long meeting, he said, well, I'll take that back to my people, and we'll consider it. See, I didn't know at that stage whether that deal was acceptable or not. So, I went on question time and tried to keep my side of the bargain, which is to say, it's not anything to do with us. Therefore, I'm completely neutral, which was the one lie I've told in my career, because I'm not completely neutral. I am on the side of the Palestinians and other repressed peoples, including the English, the Irish, the Welsh, and the Scots. So, I said that. Now, in fact, obviously, my side, my proposed bargain wasn't acceptable, because from the day that I shook hands and that fellow said goodbye, there was nothing but a political war of extermination waged against the British National Party to open up the gap which Farage and then Lowe have come to take on. But, so, that, I probably shouldn't have said that, but I did say it, but I would have been prepared to do that deal. I know it's hard on the Palestinians, but in the end, it's for Palestinians to fight for Palestine. I'm primarily concerned about Britain. But, in any case, as it turned out, clearly my answer was not acceptable. And we now see from the Tommy Robinsons, the Farages, the Lowe's, and all the rest of it, that I think from the Zionist elite position, you have to be utterly on their side. There is no middle fair ground. So, in that position, I can't be on that side. So, I'm going to get it forever. So, no, I'm not going to say apologies for anything whatsoever. You're cheldos. Zach just caught all that and included the bit where he said, I'm sorry I said that, but I did say that. Nick Griffin, endless disappointment, traitor, and scumbag. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much. - That took me out of the car.