Many of you are aware of the obscene numbers of deaths and injuries occurring around the world from the so-called COVID vaccines. But you are only aware because you went looking for that information. The vast majority of Canadians are still being duped by state-controlled media and our government and in most cases would not believe the truth even if it was presented to them. There is a massive cover-up in play. The truth is censored while mainstream media continues a relentless propaganda campaign and those who do speak out, especially those with credentials, are attacked and slandered in an attempt to silence them and to send a message to others that if they speak out, they too will have their lives and careers destroyed. Dr. William Mackus, one of the many victims of persecution by the media and the colleges of physicians, has been tracking the deaths and injuries, as well as the methods by which they are being covered up on his substack at macusmd.substack.com. Dr. Mackus joins me today with solid data and the picture he paints is more grimly shocking than most of us could imagine. Dr. Mackus, it's a pleasure to have you back on the show. Dr. William Mackus: Thank you for having me. Dr. William Mackus: In my introduction, I was talking about those 10,000 excess deaths that you reported on your substack in Alberta alone. Now, before we get into a breakdown of those 10,000, can we extrapolate from that across the country? Because one of the challenges that you're facing, I know you're facing, it's very poor reporting. They're trying to cover this up. You can't get to reliable statistics across the board from all the provinces. So, what would be your estimate across the country? Dr. Mackus: If you look at the excess deaths in all the highly COVID-19 vaccinated countries, we see a pattern. In Alberta, for example, the excess deaths last year alone in 2022 are going to be over 4,000, somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000. Dr. William Mackus: And the population of Alberta is 4.6 million. So, roughly speaking, one in every thousand people died last year as an excess death in Alberta. I believe that the vast majority of these deaths will turn out to be from the COVID-19 vaccines. Not all of them. Of course, we've had an increase, you know, opioid use and suicides and, you know, missed physician screenings and visits. But I do believe the vast majority of these will turn out to be COVID-19 vaccine. Dr. Mackus: The COVID-19 vaccine rollout across Canada was very uniform. So, you would expect, if this is driving the excess mortality in Canada, that it would be fairly uniform across Canada. Now, in the United States, the excess deaths last year were approximately 300,000. The estimates vary between 270,000 to 290,000, 95,000. And that, again, is roughly about one in a thousand people died last year in the United States as an excess deaths. Similar numbers in Australia, 54,000 excess deaths, sorry, that is in the United Kingdom, 42,000 in Australia, 103,000 in Germany, 91,000 in Japan. So, all the highly COVID-19 vaccinated countries are seeing roughly excess deaths of about one in a thousand per their population last year alone. So, if we extrapolate that to Canada, having a 38 million population roughly, one in a thousand would be 38,000 excess deaths in Canada. And I believe that once the numbers do eventually come out, because the government seems to be holding back those numbers, that it will probably be in that range. And that's annually. That is for 2022. If we look at Alberta, and again, we go back to that CBC report of 10,000, over 10,000 excess deaths since the start of the pandemic, the vast majority of those have been in 2021 and 2022. In 2021, we had a report that the number one cause of death in Alberta was causes unknown, and that was 3,400 Albertans died of causes unknown, and that that number has increased to somewhere between four and 5,000 in 2022. So, yes, it's when I say one in a thousand, that's for 2022 specifically, but the trend is upwards. And that's the really concerning thing is that, you know, we saw this spike of excess deaths from the beginning of 2021, the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccines, and 2022 was significantly worse. If this trend continues, then 2023 will be even worse than last year. Right. And I want to get into some projections a little later, but I think the first thing we have to do for those viewers who may not understand exactly what we're talking about with excess deaths is to clarify that. And so, you and I were discussing before the interview, and I gave an analogy which you thought was pretty good. And so, if we were to say, take a period of time from mid-2015 to mid-2019, and we looked at the number of excess deaths as a percentage of the population, we could then project from that what we'd expect to see in 2020, 21, 22. But what we're actually seeing is something substantially higher than what that projection would have been. Overall mortality tends to be fairly stable over time. Now, you get disruptions, especially during times of war, where you have unexpected deaths. But, you know, in times of peace, the overall mortality tends to be tends to be very stable. You know, you really have to go back 20, 30 years to see increasing trends in cancer, for example, or heart disease, you know, or, you know, Alzheimer's, dementia, for example, you have to extrapolate back quite far to see increases or decreases in trends. The background mortality rate is very, very steady. So, when we're talking excess mortality, these are deaths beyond this very stable background rate. Right. So, that brings me back now to the 10,000 deaths that were reported in Alberta. And that, of course, was since the beginning of 2020, the announcement of the pandemic. But in 2020, while there were some, it wasn't much. Then it jumped in 21. It jumped again in 22, which is where you're saying 23 is going to be even worse. So, first of all, that's accurate, correct? Yes, that's right. That 10,000 number came from a CBC report. Now, we can be very sure that they're not telling people the real reason why these people are dying. And that gets into the cover-up. Because we've got, according to your estimate, and it sounds very rational to me, potentially almost 40,000 people every year now in this country and increasing who are dying from these shots. Largely, as you say, yes, there are some other causes. There's suicides, there's drug overdoses, but that's going to be a very small percentage of that, I would imagine. How do they continue to cover this up? Yes, the Alberta report, the CBC report that assigns it to sudden adult death syndrome, which didn't exist. So, Dr. Mack, that brings me to another question about that CBC report, the 10,000 excess deaths that they reported. But we can be very certain that they're not telling people what's really causing them. We've got this ridiculous story about their sudden adult death syndrome. Well, I was a paramedic, you know, 30 plus years ago. That such a thing did not exist. And unknown causes. That didn't exist prior to 2019 as a term. Nobody ever talked about people dying of unknown causes and certainly not in large numbers. So, what is the rhetoric that you're hearing out there beyond that, that they're using to hide the real facts of what's happening? This is where it gets really interesting because they don't have a good explanation. If you look at the CBC article itself, they go into this conspiracy theory that COVID deaths are being underreported and that the deaths from COVID-19 and the long-term sequelae of COVID-19, so long COVID, that they are significantly underreported and probably account for most of these deaths. Now, that is ridiculous because we have seen in numerous jurisdictions where they actually review the death certificates. They find that the vast majority of what was labeled as COVID-19 deaths were not deaths from COVID-19. They were deaths with COVID-19 that was incidentally discovered and had no bearing on the death. So, they're basically claiming the opposite. They're trying to convince people that COVID-19 is this monster that is claiming people's lives a year or two after the fact. You know, they may have had a mild infection a year or two ago and now they're dying suddenly a year or two later. And I saw this exact line of reasoning in a CBS interview that is doing the rounds right now in the United States. They had two reporters and an expert, infectious disease expert. They were talking about they did admit that there was a very significant increase in heart attacks and sudden cardiac deaths in 25 to 44 year olds in the United States. I think they admitted to about a 30% increase. And they, again, they put the same conspiracy theory that it's due to underreporting of COVID deaths and an injury from the COVID-19 virus. They claim that it's damaging the heart heart vessels of people who had a mild infection a year or two ago, which again, autopsy results have shown is absolutely not true. This is not happening. So, this was a bold-faced lie. And they're also trying to find other potential causes. And the things they mentioned were people are not going to gyms as often. People are missing their doctor's appointments. They're not getting their, you know, screenings. They're not getting their physicals. They don't have an answer. They don't have a good answer. And so, you see them sort of flailing around, twisting themselves, trying to find any kind of excuse they can. And it seems that they haven't settled on one excuse. But this idea of long COVID causing sudden deaths a year or two later is sort of their main focus right now because it's the easiest thing that they can blame. Let's talk about that long COVID because I've talked to a number of very qualified scientists and doctors who will say outright there is no such thing. And a basic understanding of virology would seem to indicate that that is correct. Certainly, the human body can carry a virus for a long period of time, such as, say, the chickenpox virus, which can hide out in the nervous system and then come back later as shingles. But to my limited knowledge, the only way a virus can survive in the body long-term is, yes, to get outside the bloodstream, hide out somewhere else, and then eventually come back. And during that time, people have no symptoms. So as far as we understand, something like coronavirus or the flu virus, it's not possible for it to do that. It doesn't behave that way. It doesn't go hide out in the nervous system like the chickenpox virus does and then come back later. So it would be impossible. I mean, if a person had this in their system for a long period of time, what's going to happen in actual fact is it's going to kill them because it's obviously overwhelmed their immune system. They have to have, at some point in time, purge that virus from their system. We also have a recent report from Dr. Paul Alexander, who is a, you know, a very highly qualified epidemiologist, saying that reinfection with a different strain of COVID is impossible if you have natural immunity. You get that broad-spectrum protection. It's not coming back. Now, that might not necessarily be true for people who are vaxxed and have had their immune systems damaged. So this whole, long COVID story does not hold any scientific water. What's your opinion on that? I'm willing to concede from what I've seen in the literature and what I've seen anecdotally described by doctors and patients as well, is that there may be a very small percentage of people who are immunocompromised in some way to begin with, who, once they get infected with COVID-19, they struggle to clear the virus. And, you know, they struggle with it for a long time. There have been reports of people being tested through a series of months, and then, you know, different strains evolving in the same patient, the same individual. I mean, these are people who are very immunocompromised. There is some suggestion that, you know, the COVID may be hiding out somewhere in the gut, and that's where it's sort of hiding long-term, especially in people who have trouble clearing it. It's a very small percentage of people who struggle to clear this virus from their system, and it's something like maybe one or two percent of people who have their immune system compromised. You know, maybe they have severe diabetes or they have other chronic long-term illnesses where their immune system is really struggling. So I'm willing to, you know, concede that there may be a small group that have a true long COVID that they're suffering with. But this would be a very small number of people, right? And then, you know, especially if these people are unvaccinated and they are having, they're suffering from the same symptoms and injuries as the vaccinated, then this may be an explanation. But then to take that and apply it to absolutely everyone is, there's no scientific basis for that, right? So again, I'm willing to concede a very small percent of people having true long COVID and suffering injuries that end up looking similar to those of the vaccine injured, because again, it's the spike protein in both cases that is doing the damage, the inflammation, you know, the blood clots, the inflammation to the heart, brain, and so on. But this I believe is a very tiny subsection. And the vast majority of what is being blamed on long COVID right now is vaccine injury. Right. And I'm going to ask you to get the statistics on this. I think I know them, but I'm sure you know them better than I do. And that is for the people where we know they were vaxxed within a certain period of time prior to their death. What was that time period typically? If we are looking at the vaccine as a possible cause of death, then there's a very significant spike of deaths in the first two weeks after vaccination. And that sort of trails off down to once you're about a month out, then it sort of settles down, but it does stay elevated throughout. So you have an initial spike of deaths following vaccination, which really is focused in the first 14 days. And interestingly, the health authorities chose the first 14 days to label any deaths in the vaccinated as unvaccinated. Yes. And this completely messed up the data that we were being given about these hospitalizations and deaths, because all of that was blamed on the unvaccinated. And they actually used that to try to create this false impression of pandemic of the unvaccinated, which didn't actually exist. That was all artificial. It was all data tampering and data manipulation. And they did it two ways. They did it the first 14 days. They attributed all hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated to the unvaccinated. And then they were testing the unvaccinated at a much higher frequency than the vaccinated. So you ended up with a lot of false positive PCR results. And then no matter what happens to the unvaccinated in the hospitals, as soon as they died with this false positive PCR result, they are labeled an unvaccinated COVID-19 death. And boom, right there, you've got basically a fraudulent pandemic of the unvaccinated. Right. And Health Canada is no longer reporting the vaccine status of the dead, as far as I'm aware. And are any of the provinces still doing that? Still reporting the vaccine status? No. And so I've been reporting this on my sub stack, macsmd.substack.com. I went back and looked at, you know, was the Alberta government reporting vaccine outcomes and what was happening to the vaccinated, who was in the hospitals, who was in the intensive care units and who was dying. And they were, they started reporting this in June of 2021. And they reported, they let us know who was in the hospitals. Now at that point, they were trying to really paint the situation of the pandemic of the unvaccinated claiming that something over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths were in the unvaccinated. So we knew that this data was tainted to begin with, but they were also putting out how the double vaccinated were doing after their vaccination. And they had, they had these beautiful graphs where they would track how long ago you had your second dose. And then what was your likelihood of getting infected? hospitalized and dying. So how many of the double vaccinated were getting infected after a certain period of time from their vaccine? And what you saw with this data was that the double vaccinated were getting sicker and sicker and sicker to the point where by January of 2022, they were by far the sickest group of all Albertans. They were getting infected with COVID-19 with rates that were double, triple, triple, or quadruple the rates of the unvaccinated. And they were filling the hospitals. We really had a pandemic of the double vaccinated at that point. And they were making up most of the deaths as well. And that's when the Alberta government started deleting this data, right? Then they double down with the booster shots. They roll out the booster shots at this time, instead of halting the vaccine roll out, because there was clear evidence that the immune systems of the double vaccinated were being severely damaged. Instead of halting the vaccines, they instead delete the data and they roll out the booster shots. You know, there's a video circulating to this day of an Alberta Health Services vice president and infectious disease specialist, Dr. Marc Jaffe, who said at the time, go get your booster shot and don't walk, run to get your booster shot. And unfortunately, he has been appointed recently as the chief medical officer of health of Alberta, replacing Dr. Dina Hinshaw. So this is the individual who doubled down on booster shot rollout, just as the double vaccinated were getting really, really sick and had their immune systems severely damaged. So they roll out the booster shot and they give us different data that is showing that the booster, that the triple vaccinated are actually doing better than any group in Alberta. So that supported their theory that the booster shot was protecting people. And interestingly, that only lasted two months. And within two months, the triple vaccinated quickly became the sickest group of Albertans. They were the most likely to get infected with COVID-19, even more so than the the double vaccinated. So it was clear that the booster shots were probably doing even more damage to the immune systems of the triple vaccinated than the first two doses. And then the government deletes that data. I've made it very clear that the booster shots in Alberta failed on February 15th of 2022. And since March of 2022, the hospitalizations and deaths have been driven almost exclusively by the triple vaccinated. And we reach a point in the summer, July of 2022, where all the provinces throughout Canada delete all the vaccination status in the hospitals from their websites. And in Alberta and British Columbia, Australia, the vaccinated made up over 80 percent of hospitalizations and almost 90 percent of all deaths from COVID-19. And that is when they deleted the data and made sure that we no longer had access to this information. And we've been completely blind ever since then. So imagine that the government doesn't tell us anymore how the triple vaccinated are doing. They are filling the hospitals. They're dying. And the government doesn't tell us anything further. They strip us of the data and then they roll out the fourth shot. And we have no idea how the quadruple vaccinated are doing at all. We've never seen a single data point in the quadruple vaccinated. And yet they roll out hundreds of thousands of jabs for the second booster shot. Now some people are getting their fifth shot, which is the bivalent booster shot. And we don't know how these people are doing. All we know is that when you look at Australia, which continued to release this kind of data until the end of 2022. In Australia, the quadruple vaccinated became the sickest group in the country. And they were the ones filling the hospitals, intensive care units and morgues. And that's when the Australian government decided to delete that data as well. Right. And you make a very good point there that Australia was the only country that was still reporting that because Canada is hardly alone in hiding this data. In an interview I did not long ago with Dr. Jessica Rose. She gives the proof that a huge amount of data was removed from VAERS to hide the myocarditis results with the obvious conclusion the reason they wanted to do that is when those patients die down the road, their death can't be linked back to myocarditis from the shots. On top of that, the VAERS database itself does not have a category, an ID for somebody dying from these shots. In fact, it barely has IDs for people dying from vaccines at all. And certainly not from the COVID ones. So they're burying this data. And so now I want to move on from the deaths because I think we've given a very good job here proving that large amounts of people are dying now at the rate of, as you said, about one in every thousand. And it's accelerating. But there's a side effect to that because for every person who dies, there's multiple people who end up disabled, vaccine injured. Can you give us some numbers on that? This is a very tough one to get a good handle on because, again, not only are the deaths being not reported and attributed to anything but the vaccine, but we're really not getting any data on COVID-19 vaccine injuries. You know, it's a tough one to get a handle on. Fortunately, there is an individual in the U.S. His name is Edward Dodd. He's a former BlackRock hedge fund manager, and I believe he's independent at this point. And he's an investor. And he analyzes insurance data in the United States. And he's been able to get his hands on data that is showing not just the increase in mortality, which he has been reporting on extensively, and he is finding increased mortality on the order of 40%, 50%. It depends on how you set your age range. But he's also found a significant increase in disabilities and claims for disabilities in the working age population. And it's very interesting. He was able to track and compare the numbers of people who dropped out of the workforce when the COVID vaccines were rolled out. And their rates of disability versus people who stayed in the workforce, subjected themselves to COVID-19 vaccine mandates. And he found that increase in disability is on the order of 40% higher in those who stayed in the workforce and submitted themselves to vaccine mandates than those who dropped out and avoided. Because I mean, essentially, if you've dropped out of the workforce during the period of time of the vaccine rollout, it is probably because you did not want to take the vaccine, right? And so there's been a massive difference between those two groups. And he's put out some numbers on disabilities. And the last number I saw with him, he did an interview with Steve Bannon's War Room. So those are good interviews to look at where he puts out some definite numbers on overall disabilities in the states and new claims in that working population that took the vaccines. And he found about a 1.7 million excess disabilities in the working age population who were vaccinated. You know, I've tracked down about 300,000 excess deaths in the US last year, if we have a rough estimates of 1.7 million disabilities, you're looking at disability rate of five or six times the excess mortality rate And, you know, that can give you at least an idea of what the disabilities and injuries from the COVID-19 vaccines may be to the point where people are filing claims for disability, right? So people may be injured and they might still continue working because they still can. You know, there's a lot of people suffering from brain fog, from chronic fatigue, cardiac issues that they never had, but they still continue working. So we're talking about fairly severe injuries where you have to apply for disability as a working age person. So imagine you take your excess mortality or, you know, as a surrogate marker for COVID-19 vaccine deaths and you multiply that by five or six to get an idea of how many people have been severely injured by these vaccines. Right. So let's once again try to paint some numbers because we've been talking about the one in a thousand right now who are dying. And of course, that's going to get worse as they keep shoving more and more these shots into people. As you've already noted, it's been increasing for the last three years. It's likely going to keep increasing. And then we're talking about, I think it was something like four or five severely injured people for every person who dies. But that, of course, as you pointed out, that just counts as people who are making claims. There's lots of injured people who are still working. And I realize this is going to be an extremely difficult number for you to put out because you're working with, basically, it can't be anything more than an educated guess. But out of every thousand people, what would you estimate is the number of injured people? Well, that's interesting. You know, there was a database that was released in the US that had tracked there was an app, I believe it was linked to the CDC, and they had put out this app that tracked injuries for everyone who took their vaccine. And they had they had accumulated about 10 million people that had submitted their response to the vaccines into this app. And they found there that about eight to 10% of everyone who took the vaccine had some sort of side effect that required a hospital visit in the past year, right? And so, you know, we can sort of break it down, we can say, well, you know, there's the severe injuries to the point where you have to apply for disability, and that we can just estimate at five times the rate of deaths that we're seeing. So that could be, you know, if the excess deaths last year were one in 1000, we're looking at five or six in 1000, severe enough to be to apply for disability. But if you're looking for any kind of side effect, that at some point may have required a hospital visit, that could be as high as 10%. And so that would be 100 in 1000, because as you were saying earlier, if we go with that one in 1000 figure, which we have a great deal of data to show that we're talking about last year, 39,000 Canadians died excess deaths, and most of them probably from the shots multiply that by five, we got 200,000 who are so severely injured, they can no longer work. If we say that about eight to 10%, this was a very solid data set in the United States, if we look at, you know, eight to 10% of people who were vaccinated, had some kind of a reaction, and it's a reaction that may not have stopped them from working and, you know, carrying on, but it was significant enough that they might have required a hospital visit, eight to 10% of the vaccinated. Now the vaccination rate in Canada, of people who've had at least one dose, I believe it's on the order of 84 to 85%. Right. So if you take okay, population 38 million, about 80 85% are vaccinated. So now you're looking at about 32 million have been vaccinated, and if up to 10% had some kind of a side effect, you're looking at potentially around 3 million Canadians who may have had some kind of a side effect from the COVID-19 vaccines. Now this, you know, again, another way we can look at it is people who've been absent from work when they've been sick, right, the absences from work, and I've seen in healthcare, there's been a tremendous amount of absences from work. And it's always, they always report, you know, thousands of people are at home sick from work, you know, you can look at this in certain other work environments. For example, my wife works in Air Canada, she is seeing a tremendous amount of people sick home from work at that workplace, which again, you know, they had a vaccine mandate and required people to be vaccinated. Now, now a lot of people are getting sick. So you know, that's another surrogate marker you can look at what is the workplace absenteeism from illness, right? And that would give us again, a good idea of the side effects of these vaccines. But like I said, the number, it could be around 3 million Canadians who've had some kind of a reaction to the vaccine to the point where they may have needed a visit to the hospital to get checked out. So just before we get to how bad this could get, I want to back up a little bit because in our last interview, you were talking about at that point in time, 93 Canadian doctors who had died, almost certainly as a result of the vaccines. And in one shocking case, three doctors in one hospital within the space of three days of each other. What's that number at now? It's over 120 actively practicing doctors, 25 to 70 who've died suddenly or unexpectedly. So I'm ruling out long term causes, whether it was, you know, long term cancer diagnoses or chronic conditions like Parkinson's, ALS, and so on. Those are excluded from this number. And these are sudden and unexpected deaths in 2021 and 2022, since the rollout of the vaccines. And the problem is, is that no health health authority has been willing to look at this information. Now I can back this up with a very thorough database of about 2,300 physician deaths spanning the past four years, where we took all the mortality of all the doctors. And this, we've spent hundreds of hours putting together this database and every entry is taken from a official medical website, whether it's the Canadian Medical Association, Royal College, Provincial Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, Medical Alumni Associations from the medical universities. Everything is sourced from a medical source and then cross-referenced to obituaries. And if we look at overall physician mortality, and this data is very, very solid. There was, compared to 2019, there was about a 20% increase in physician mortality excess deaths in 2020, 37% increase in 2021, 53% increase in 2022. And this, these numbers are really in line with the rise in excess mortality we are seeing in all the highly vaccinated countries. As I mentioned, Edward Dodd, who's looking at insurance data in the United States, is finding excess mortality of 40 to 50% in the working age population, which is what these physicians are. So these numbers are right in line with excess mortality figures in other countries, highly vaccinated countries. The problem is that no one is willing to look at this data. No one has responded to me. No one has emailed me, said, okay, we want to take a look at your data and just have our own experts analyze it. The Canadian Medical Association is a big entity. They have millions of dollars. They have, you know, many individuals. They can hire teams of data analysts to crunch through this information and see if there is a safety signal or not. And they've completely refused to even look at it. They're calling it misinformation. They say there's no evidence that doctors are being harmed or killed by the COVID-19 vaccines. They have nothing to back up that statement. And they've completely turned a blind eye and they're ignoring this issue completely. You more so than any other doctor in Canada I know have been tracking these deaths, tracking the injuries, understanding just exactly what's going on and the increase every year that's happening. And we got the fact that they're continuing to push these shots, especially on people who are working for the government. And we've got Bill 36 in BC, which is absolutely horrific. And they're going to keep doing this. And we've had a statement come out just last month when he was at Davos talking about they're developing 30 new mRNA vaccines, wanting to push these shots into people for everything under the sun. If they succeed, if they keep doing this, and they probably will, a lot of people will continue to line up, drink the Kool-Aid, let themselves be injected with stuff. Just how bad is it? We're already looking at one in every thousand people dying. How bad do you think this could get before people finally wake up and come to their senses? It could get very bad. The general population really has vaccine fatigue. And only 25% of Canadians right now are considered fully vaccinated by the definition of the federal government, which is you must have had a booster shot in the last six months. So now we have 75% of Canadians who are considered not fully vaccinated or not compliant with the government regulations for COVID-19 vaccination. What they seem to be doing is they're focusing on the healthcare workers first, and they seem to be doubling down on the vaccine requirements. So Bill 36, as you mentioned in British Columbia, makes vaccinations mandatory to keep your physician license or your nursing license. So it's a condition of your licensing now. And this is the first province in Canada that has done this. It's extremely draconian. And I've spoken to a lot of BC doctors who are absolutely horrified that this was pushed through. As well, they should be. And I hate to interrupt, but I have to make this very clear, folks, if you weren't quite following and you don't live in BC, or you haven't been paying attention to what's going on there. Dr. Mackis isn't talking about things that you've heard about in the past, where doctors lose their jobs for refusing, they're going to lose their license. You can't practice anymore, anywhere, if you don't comply with their vaccine mandates. And once they come after your license, that basically goes with you wherever you go. You know, I'm not going to be compliant. They'll find you guilty of unprofessional conduct, they'll put that on your license. Now you try to get a job in Ontario, or Alberta, or even the United States. And as part of the job applications, they have to get your certificate of professional standing in BC. And BC is going to say this is an unprofessional doctor who refused our COVID-19 vaccines, and you're unlikely to get a job anywhere else. So this is a really a career ender for any doctor and or nurse in BC who refuses to comply with these vaccine mandates. Now, this is the first province they've rolled it out, it is probably going to be rolled out in other provinces. And the way the federal government may actually fast track this, is they're talking about pan Canadian licensing that will be governed directly from Ottawa, which means that they will give you a license to practice anywhere in Canada, but it'll be controlled by the federal government entity in Ottawa, they will tie vaccination mandates to that pan Canadian license. And that's basically how they roll it out all across Canada very quickly. And so this could really spiral out of control very quickly. They need to keep the doctors and nurses in line, and they need them to continue taking these shots, and then pressure their patients to continue taking these shots. And because booster uptake has plummeted, there's something very interesting that happened very recently I discovered when you go on the federal website that keeps track of vaccinations. They've now deleted the data and the categories that tell you how many Canadians have taken their first booster shot and second booster shot. That data is no longer available. And they did this about a month ago. I'm going to put out an article on the Substack showing how they did this. So what you have now is they'll simply tell you how many Canadians have the primary series, and then how many Canadians have taken a booster shot in the last six months. And what that does is it doesn't tell you how many people actually have taken their booster shots in the past. So it doesn't tell you how big the booster population is. All it tells you is who has recently complied with the vaccine mandates and who hasn't, right? So there's this very draconian element to this where they're now preparing to categorize people only as recently compliant with COVID-19 vaccines or not. And I believe that this may set us up for a push to some kind of a new vaccine mandate. And maybe we have a new outbreak. Maybe we have a new outbreak with a new variant of some kind. And they're going to say, well, only 10% of people have been compliant with their booster shot in the past six months. Now we need, you know, everybody else to take their booster shot, right? So you can see this trend that they're doubling down on sort of more draconian measures to they're keeping the doctors quiet, they're going to force the doctors to continue taking these shots. And then they're going to prepare the population to be labeled as either compliant or not compliant. And then they're going to roll something out because someone has to take these MRNA vaccines. Like you said, Moderna CEO, Stefan Bansel in Davos, he made some very interesting points. Not only does Moderna have over 30 MRNA vaccines coming out, and three of them are almost ready to hit the market. This is influenza, RSV, and CMV. And the CMV they plan to roll out in reproductive age women and pregnant women because they're scaring them saying, well, you know, there's birth defects that CMV can cause. So we better vaccinate every reproductive age woman. And then of course, the RSV and influenza shots are being sold as being more safe than the COVID-19 shots because they're not based on the spike protein that mutates very quickly. So they're claiming it's based on proteins that don't mutate. They're going to try to bundle those shots with the COVID-19 shots. So you'll get a combination flu shot, COVID shot, or you will get a triple combination flu, RSV and COVID, which is now what the Australian media is pushing. They're calling it a three-in-one shot or a super shot where you get all these shots in one. And basically, it's all MRNA. And the Moderna CEO admitted that the manufacturing process is identical for all of these vaccines. They're using the same lipid nanoparticles. They're using the same MRNA factories to produce these. So, and he's building a global network of MRNA factories. Of course, we know that one is being built right now in Canada, in Quebec. He's building, you know, one in US, Australia, Kenya, South Korea is building one. He's saying he wants MRNA factories in every continent. And we know that the Trudeau government has invested in this MRNA factory in Quebec that will produce hundreds of millions of doses. Stéphane Bancel said he wants to reach a capacity of 1 billion doses of MRNA that his company will be able to produce. That doesn't even include Pfizer. So we see this doubling down on this MRNA technology. And how are you going to make the population take these shots when most Canadians don't want to take them? First of all, if people have watched the boxes lately for the testing kits, what they're saying on them now is it's for COVID-19, influenza, and RSV. It's supposed to test for all of them. And of course, we all know that these tests don't work at all. They're total bunk. Then we've got the fact that the federal government is basically blackmailing the provinces for funding for their healthcare, saying if you don't hand over people's healthcare records, which ties back directly to what you were talking about with the centralization of licensing of doctors, which will be the next step of if you don't hand over patient records immediately to the federal government, you lose your license. If you don't take your shots, you lose your license. And we know that there's going to be more viruses coming. Because as you mentioned, and I know you're well aware of this fact as well, because I think you reported on it on your own substack, Stéphane Bancel knew in 2019 that there was a pandemic coming. They manufactured 100,000 doses in 2019, even though the pandemic wasn't announced until early 2020, even though the supposed vaccines didn't come out until the end of 2020. So if he's out there manufacturing this stuff left, right and center, building all these factories, well, he knows something. We've got Bill Gates telling us there will be more pandemics. And he's the one who's behind a lot of it. So we know this is coming. That brings us back to this idea of at what point in time do people wake up? Because we were talking earlier about the doctor deaths. Now you're saying it's over 120 of them. And you can prove a very good data that these doctors are almost certainly dying from these shots. But it's not just doctors. We've got the athletes. Dr. McCullough's team recently found data from the Olympic Committee in Europe where they could look at the historical data and they could show a massive increase in athlete deaths since these vaccines were pushed out there. On your own substack, you were talking about at least 10, 20 to 21 year olds in January alone in Canada, five teens, 17 to 19 in the past month. In your opinion, Dr. Max, at what point in time are they simply not going to be able to hide this anymore? And is it going to make any difference? Because as you say, they're going to start mandating this. Your job, your livelihood, possibly even your ability to own a home or go anywhere is going to be dependent upon complying with their demands to take these shots. It's interesting. I don't know what that breaking point is. Because to me, it's already, we have a very serious problem when 10 Canadian young adults aged 20 or 21 die suddenly in January alone. Now, I was tracking these for a few months and roughly on average, there were about three sudden deaths. And in January, it jumped suddenly to 10. And again, if you look at the younger population, if you're looking at kids 2 to 19, high school kids, again, I've been tracking those as well. And in the past three months, there's been over 60 deaths of children 2 to 19 in Canada. These are unexplained deaths. They're sudden. These are not children who've been chronically ill or who've had complex medical conditions. These are children, many of them were athletes. In high school, for example, there's been kids who play hockey and you know, kids can play hockey at a very, very young age. We've had sudden deaths in hockey players as young as six years old in Canada in the past couple of months. Six years old, seven years old, hockey players, right? And then of course, you've got football players. There's a 17 year old boy in Quebec that just died suddenly, football player. 13 year old girl, football player in Regina died suddenly in the past month. We had a boy, 18 year old boy who graduated from baseball academy, died suddenly. So these deaths seem to be accelerating, especially in the last few months. And I find it extremely frustrating that no one is keeping track and no one is talking about it. When you look at Twitter in Alberta, for example, what people are focusing on is complete nonsense, you know, frivolous things. How did Danielle Smith shake the hand of Prime Minister Trudeau? A lot of them are just completely frivolous and they're ignoring these sudden deaths. And what's interesting is that the Canadian mainstream media has received instructions to go after anyone who is speaking up about these sudden deaths. They've gone after me. In the past month, I've had five mainstream media outlets go after me. I've had Toronto Star, Global News, Global News, Globe and Mail, Associated Press, and Reuters. The journalists, they write to me, they start attacking me. They say, we want a comment from you on these sudden deaths. We want evidence from you that these may be linked to the vaccines. And of course, I say, well, we need investigations and autopsies to find out what is causing these sudden deaths, right? We have hypothesis based on pathology results from other countries, but we're not getting those results here in Canada, and we desperately need them. And then they take my quote, and then they, you know, twist it, turn it around and release a hit piece on me in the mainstream media, right? And they've gone after Dr. Patrick Phillips. They've gone after Dr. Mark Trozzi. They've gone after Dr. Crystal Lichke, Dr. Charles Hoff, Dr. Stephen Mauthaus. Any doctor who is speaking up about COVID-19 vaccine injuries and sudden deaths, excess mortality, you name it, is now being viciously attacked by mainstream media. And that is also quite recent. A Toronto Star journalist that did a hit piece on me back in November, just did a hit piece on Olympic gold medalist Jamie Saleh, who has also been speaking up about these sudden deaths. And she's been sharing some of my articles on Twitter. And now you see the mainstream media doing a very big and vicious hit piece on her, attacking her for speaking out. So we're under attack by the mainstream media that is trying to silence the voices of anyone who has a prominent voice on social media and is talking about sudden deaths, sudden deaths, excess deaths, COVID-19 vaccine injuries. So the Canadian media is doubling down on silencing us. Now, I don't know how long they can do that before people start waking up en masse. And I think we're starting to see rumblings of awakening starting. And I think a lot of people are still afraid to speak up and to push back publicly. I get people emailing me saying, you know, please don't tell my name or keep me anonymous. I'm afraid for my job. But I think we will reach a point, we will reach a critical mass where this is going to spill over to the mainstream conversation. They won't be able to hold it back. And then it'll be interesting to see. I think that's when we may see some more draconian measures come out from either the Trudeau government or from Health Canada, you know, bringing out new mandates or new requirements. So we'll see. And that may happen sometime in 2023 this year. Yes. And of course, then we've got the International Health Treaty coming along in 2024, if it doesn't happen sooner than that. And this is an extremely evil but brilliant plan on their part, because what they've done now, when they've got that enacted, is that these healthcare decisions are being made by parties who are outside of the country, which means the only way to bring them to justice is with an international criminal court. And now you get your politicians going and throwing up their hands and saying, well, we have to follow the treaty. I'm not responsible. And so it allows them to enact all of this stuff with that layer of legal protection. I think your comments are bang on because what they're doing right now with the censorship, and it's a three-part attack. One censor anybody tries to speak out. And that's the things that are happening online, where if you post it, it gets taken down, you get banned, whatever. And then we'll get back to people such as yourself in a bit. Then there's the propaganda that's being put out by the mainstream state-controlled media, giving them a completely different story, either not giving answers or outright lying about what's happening. And then we've got people such as yourself who are, they go after you, they persecute you, they make an example of you so that other doctors who know the truth are saying, well, if I speak up, the same thing is going to happen to me. And so that's how they're silencing people. But I think what they're really doing is they understand they can't keep that game up forever. What they're doing is they're buying time to get their surveillance and control mechanisms in place to the point where you can't fight back. We have to wake people up before we get to that point and fight back and say, no, we're not going to put up with this. We're not going to stand for it. And that kind of, you know, tyranny always ends the same way. It ends when the people in sufficient numbers stand up and say, we're not doing this. And that's when it ends. So I would like you finish this interview, Dr. Marcus, with your final thoughts on where we're headed and how we stop it before it gets to the point where we're powerless. I think people need to speak up even if they're afraid and they need to share their experiences. One thing I found recently, for example, was when I had discovered on the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario website that they were advising Ontario doctors to take a look at their unvaccinated patients and consider putting them on psychiatric medication or referring them for psychotherapy. I commented on this, you know, in a small video clip that I did after I did a speech in Grand Prairie, Alberta, with Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson, and that went viral in the United States. We had no idea that was going to happen. We had no intention. You know, it was simply a short clip of basically advising people what's going on at the time. It went viral in the United States. It was shared by the Hodge twins. It was shared by cattered accounts in the states that have millions of followers. And it went viral. And it took a while for the mainstream media to counterattack. It took them about two or three months to do the damage control. And then the journalist Ashley Smith tried to claim that the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario received so much angry letters and emails from the public who were correctly outraged that the college was advising their doctors in this way to consider putting the unvaccinated on psychiatric medications that they claimed that they had to block access to these buildings from the public because of just the anger of people realizing what these colleges are doing and, you know, the horrific advice that they're giving doctors. We're sort of in this period where things are relatively quiet. You know, the government is not forcing things too much. A lot of things that things are being done behind the scenes. You know, you do have Trudeau pressing on the digital ID and digitization of medical information front. And we know that as soon as he can get access to our medical information, that he's basically going to, you know, sell us out to these international entities. We're going to be linked to a greater database. Next thing you know, they're going to want our genetic information linked to our medical information. This was admitted by Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu in his interview with Jordan Peterson, where he said that the reason why he was able to have such a close relationship with Pfizer was because he had everyone in Israel had a digital ID and their medical information digitally available. He said, we're going to put genetic information on that and we're going to give it to the pharmaceutical companies to run algorithms on all of this medical information so that they can come up with new drugs and new vaccines and so on and essentially have a pipeline of products that they can force on us in the future based on our own medical information and genetic information. And he admitted this openly. This was not a controversial statement to him. And this is the president of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who's recently been, you know, reelected. And to him, this is sort of a natural progression of where this digital idea is going. So with Trudeau coming in and really trying to get access to our medical information, this is where it's heading. Right. So we absolutely have to push back now before this goes any further. And I always tell people, push back in whatever way you can, obviously not violent. We need more whistleblowers to come out, especially in health care. Doctors, nurses, expose these statistics, these injuries, these deaths and push back in whatever way you can. Yes, and I agree with you completely. And folks, for those of you, Dr. Mappus is in Alberta. I'm in Alberta. If you are in Alberta, one of the best things you can do is come May, get out there and vote for Daniel Smith in the election, even if you're not historically a supporter of the Conservative Party. Daniel Smith is working very hard to stop this, to stop the federal government from messing in provincial affairs. And the alternative to Daniel Smith is Rachel Notley of the NDP, a woman who has openly talked about door to door vaccination campaigns. So if you get Notley in office, Alberta will suddenly go from being the freest province in the country to probably being the most draconian one. So get out there in May and vote. Dr. Mappus, thank you so much for taking the time for this interview, for all the research you've been doing. Folks, you can follow Dr. Mappus online at MappusMD.substack.com. Thank you very much for having me. Dr. Mappus, thank you very much for having me. Thank you.